Damped pendulum and sliding rod

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The discussion revolves around two problems involving dynamics: the first concerns a damped pendulum affected by air resistance, and the second involves a rod on a frictionless surface subjected to an applied force. The original poster seeks to understand the energy dissipation in the pendulum system and the static point of the rod during rotation.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the damping effect of air resistance on the pendulum's energy and questions the implications of energy transformation in the system. They also express uncertainty about calculating the static point of the rod during slight rotation and seek clarification on their approach.

Discussion Status

Participants are engaging with the original poster's inquiries, with some providing clarifications and others questioning the necessity of distinguishing between potential and kinetic energy in the context of total energy. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between forces, energy, and motion in both problems.

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The original poster is navigating homework constraints, including the need to derive equations and understand energy dynamics without providing complete solutions. There is a focus on deriving expressions based on given parameters such as damping coefficient and angular velocity.

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Problem 1:

I have a mathematical pendulum with a mass m connected to a string of length l. The pendulum is damped by air resistance that is proportional to the velocity, Ffric = -k*v. I need to derive the damping effect the air resistance has on the pendulum - that is, the decrease of the total energy of the energy it causes per unit time. The damping effect should be expressed as a function of k, l and a, the angular velocity ("omega-dot" in common notation).

I know that the speed of the point mass must be a*l, because the angular velocity is expressed in radians. The force on it from air resistance must then be -k*a*l. I thought that, because work is force*displacement, and effect is work/time, maybe I will get the effect if I take the force times the speed (displacement/time). In that case, the effect from air friction would be -k*(a*l)^2. Is this correct? What worries me is that I may not have understood the ramifications of potential and kinetic energy being constantly swapped in this system.

Is there some better form I could get the solution in given that the next problem is to derive the movement equation for the pendulum (a differential equation in theta) by comparing dE/dt to the result? E is the total energy.


Problem 2:

A rod is lying still on a frictionless surface when a force is applied to one end of it. As a result of this the rod will start to slide and rotate. I need to calculate what point of the rod will remain static for small angles of rotation. If I knew how to calculate the slide speed, I could probably derive the point with a little trig, but I'm uncertain how to get at it. The rotation can probably be had using T=I*alpha.

Any help appreciated!
 
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Problem 2: Just to clarify you want to calculate the point at which if a force is applied and the rod rotates slightly it will not be displaced?
 
For problem 1 you don't need to consider the effect of the force on the individual types of of energy (potential or kinetic)only its effect on the total energy of the system.
 
> Problem 2: Just to clarify you want to calculate the point at which if a
> force is applied and the rod rotates slightly it will not be displaced?

Yes, that's the point I'm after.

> For problem 1 you don't need to consider the effect of the force on the
> individual types of of energy (potential or kinetic)only its effect on the
> total energy of the system.

But is my derivation of the effect of the force on the total energy correct?
 

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