Dark Energy, Light, the Universe, and Black Holes

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the concepts of dark energy, the expansion of the universe, and their potential similarities to black holes. Participants explore the implications of an accelerating universe and how it might relate to the behavior of light and spacetime.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Brandon introduces the idea that if the universe's expansion accelerates to exceed the speed of light, it may resemble a black hole, where spacetime is stretched to the point that light cannot escape.
  • Some participants clarify that the Hubble Volume is the region where the expansion of space exceeds the speed of light, defined by the formula \frac{c}{H_0}.
  • Another participant suggests that with the accelerating expansion, the universe could be viewed as an inside-out black hole, where observers perceive an event horizon and galaxies moving away, but without a singularity present.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between dark energy, the expansion of the universe, and black holes. There is no consensus on whether these concepts are fundamentally similar or how they should be interpreted.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the nature of spacetime and the implications of dark energy remain unresolved, and the discussion includes varying interpretations of the relationship between cosmic expansion and black hole dynamics.

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Hi,

My name is Brandon, I am new here. My physics knowledge mostly comes from surfing the net, so I have a lot of gaps in my understanding. But i do love the stuff, and i try to stay open to it.

Anyway, i know about dark energy and the expansion of the universe. and i guess the expansion of space? the universe? is accelerating and i saw a question somewhere that says that there might be a time where acceleration of the expansion of the universe exceeds the speed of light.

Now I'm just asking, so I am not trying to postulate some new theory to save humanity, but it sounds like the universe has just become a black hole. I say this because the mass of the black hole has stretched spacetime into well, the black hole, so light can't even escape. And then if dark energy stretches space time to where light cannot keep up, isn't that pretty close to the same thing?

thanks in advance.

brandon
 
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cristo said:
This page may be a good first reference. I'm moving your post to the cosmology forum.

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/BlackHoles/universe.html

ok, I am sorry for the bad post location. i just didnt know if my conception of the issue was kinnd of borderline, so i put it somewhere where it may be less harmful to the more informed posts.
 
The Hubble Volume is the region of space surrounding an observer in which the expansion exceeds the speed of light. The radius of the Hubble Volume is defined as [tex]\frac{c}{H_0}[/tex], where [tex]c[/tex] is the speed of light and [tex]H_0[/tex] is the Hubble Constant.
 
it sounds like the universe has just become a black hole. I say this because the mass of the black hole has stretched spacetime into well, the black hole, so light can't even escape. And then if dark energy stretches space time to where light cannot keep up, isn't that pretty close to the same thing?
With accelerating expansion, the universe looks indeed quite like an inside-out Black Hole. Every observer sees an Event Horizon around her (some 25 bn lightyears proper distance away), and sees other galaxies falling toward that horizon, and ulitmately fade away there.
Of course, there's no singularity lurking behind to crunch the infalling (here: outfalling) galaxies in finite proper time.
 

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