Data Collection Begins: Monitoring the Diphoton Excess

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The discussion revolves around the ongoing data collection efforts at the LHC, specifically monitoring the diphoton excess. Participants explore the current luminosity levels, the implications of scrubbing processes, and the challenges faced in increasing luminosity for physics analyses. The conversation includes technical details about beam operations and the impact of various issues on data collection.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Experimental/applied, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note the initial low luminosity levels (0.05% of design value) and express optimism about increases as more bunches are filled.
  • Others argue that the small increases in luminosity (e.g., from 0.0006/fb) may not significantly impact data collection, emphasizing the need for machine operators to ensure higher luminosity can be achieved.
  • Participants discuss the scrubbing process, describing it as a method to clean the beam pipe by allowing particles to collide with it, which can reduce electron cloud effects that impact beam stability.
  • There are concerns raised about the impact of a vacuum leak in one of the preaccelerators, which may limit the number of bunches that can be injected into the LHC.
  • Some participants highlight the urgency of collecting data before the ICHEP conference, noting the balance between data collection and analysis time.
  • Questions arise about the operational status of the ATLAS IBL and the implications of the SPS beam dump leak, with some participants expressing uncertainty about the specifics of the repairs needed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of increasing luminosity for data collection but express differing views on the significance of current luminosity levels and the challenges posed by technical issues. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the timeline and implications of the vacuum leak repair.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various operational challenges, including the electron cloud effect and the need for scrubbing, which may affect luminosity increases. There are also references to previous operational experiences that inform current expectations.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to researchers and professionals involved in high-energy physics, particularly those following the LHC's operational status and its implications for ongoing experiments related to the diphoton excess.

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The luminosity just depends on beam parameters, not on details of the collisions (which happen in the kHz range anyway, not on the timescale of those fluctuations). I don't know where the fluctuations come from - could be some calibration issue with the measurement, or very frequent changes of the beam overlap by the machine operators.
The LHC registered the earthquake in New Zealand. It lead to a small deformation of the ring which changes the beam energy a tiny bit. This is the result. The long-term sine modulation are the tides. They are quite strong because we are close to a full moon.
 
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  • #123
Lord Crc said:
Potentially silly question: with the p-Pb run under way I'm looking at Vistars and wondering why the instantaneous luminosity of ALICE has such great fluctuations compared to the other detectors.

Is it just due to each collision having a much wider range of results depending on "how well" each proton hits the nucleus? I'm thinking bowling here.

This is what luminosity levelling looks like when you zoom in on the y-axis scale.

Here's an example when they tried levelling ATLAS and CMS

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mfb said:
The luminosity just depends on beam parameters, not on details of the collisions (which happen in the kHz range anyway, not on the timescale of those fluctuations). I don't know where the fluctuations come from - could be some calibration issue with the measurement, or very frequent changes of the beam overlap by the machine operators.

As the song goes, I should have known better... :)

mfb said:
The LHC registered the earthquake in New Zealand. It lead to a small deformation of the ring which changes the beam energy a tiny bit. This is the result. The long-term sine modulation are the tides. They are quite strong because we are close to a full moon.

Really interesting, thanks for sharing.
 

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