Data Table help (for a wind tunnel (Lifting force etc.)

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The discussion revolves around calculating the lifting force from experimental data collected in a wind tunnel, focusing on the conversion of mass from grams to kilograms and the subsequent calculations needed to derive lifting force in Newtons. Participants also discuss the conversion of air speed from kilometers per hour to meters per second, and the creation of graphs based on the results.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant provides a series of mass measurements in grams and corresponding air speeds in kilometers per hour, seeking to find the lifting force and speed in meters per second.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need to convert mass to kilograms for consistency in calculations, noting that force should be expressed in Newtons.
  • A participant requests clarification on how to properly calculate lifting force from the provided data, expressing urgency in needing assistance.
  • There is a question about the method of measurement used for mass, with a participant seeking to understand the type of scale employed and the units of force it measures.
  • One participant expresses frustration over the lack of clarity in the data and the need for straightforward guidance on calculating lifting force without additional explanations.
  • Another participant points out the ambiguity in whether the measured data represents "gram force" or actual force divided by gravity to obtain "gram mass." They confirm that the lifting force is the difference between the original mass and the measured mass due to airflow.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the necessity of converting mass to kilograms and using gravitational acceleration to find lifting force. However, there is uncertainty regarding the specifics of the measurements and the exact method for calculating lifting force, leading to multiple competing views on how to proceed.

Contextual Notes

Participants express confusion about the accuracy of the data collected and the measurement methods used, which may affect the calculations. There is also a lack of consensus on the interpretation of the measured data as either "gram force" or "gram mass."

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The original mass is 25.5g.

The mass(G) we got were:
23.4 mass(g) - 7.7 Air speed(km/h)
22 mass(g) - 9.7 Air speed(km/h)
20.3 mass(g) - 12.1 Air speed(km/h)
19.2 mass(g) - 13.5 Air speed(km/h)
18.35 mass(g) - 13.7 Air speed(km/h)

I needed to find the lifting force and the Speed in m s-1

So original mass 25.5 x 9.8 = 249.9

Then the mass' we got:
23.4 x 9.8 = 229.32
22 x 9.8 = 215.6
20.3 x 9.8 = 198.9
19.2 x 9.8 = 188.16
18.35 x 9.8 = 179.83

So take away all the mass' with the original mass (example 249.9 - 229.32 = 20.58)

We get for lifting force (N):
20.58
34.4
51
61.74
70.07

* The teacher told me that this doesn't look like in Newtons.. He told me that I should change the mass(g) to kg.. ? So if I do that will that be the lifting force (N) ?

So 23.4 G is now 0.0234Kg
22 grams = 0.022 kilograms
20.3 grams = 0.0203 kilograms
19.2 grams = 0.0192 kilograms
18.35 grams = 0.01835 kilograms

So do i now 0.022 x 9.8? 0.2156... Then 249.9 - 0.2156 = 249.6844 to find the lifting force??

By the way the air speed in m/s is now:
2.14
2.69
3.36
3.75
3.80

After all this I have to draw two separate graphs one with the lifting force and air speed, one with the lifting force and v^squared (so air speed squared)... on a graph paper and then explain what we see...
 
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You need to convert the unit of mass to kg to make a consistent.
It may be easily for you to convert every unit into SI unit which mean [mass] = kg, [Force] = N = kg s^2 / m

I'm not sure about your experiment so I can't answer your second question.
 
So what do i exactly do now?

Original Mass: 25.55g

Two Columns:
23.4 mass(g) - 7.7 Air speed(km/h)
22 mass(g) - 9.7 Air speed(km/h)
20.3 mass(g) - 12.1 Air speed(km/h)
19.2 mass(g) - 13.5 Air speed(km/h)
18.35 mass(g) - 13.7 Air speed(km/h)

And I need to put these two columns into these two columns:
Lift(N) - Speed (ms-1)..

Could you please show me exactly the way to do this properly and even do just one of them like 23.4 mass(g) - 7.7 Air speed(km/h) ..
Remembering that my teacher told me that G must be converted to Kg..
I really need to find the Lifting force. I need this urgently so I can actually start drawing the required graphs. Thank you.
 
My teacher told me that I have to first change the mass (g) to kg then times that by 9.8...

Will that give me the Lift force for everyone of them or do I have to do something else as well?
 
Well? Anyone? All I want to do is find out the lifting force?
 
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How did you make the measurements? I'm not aware of a common device that measures mass directly. What type of scale did you use and what unit of force does it measure?
 
We did it quickly so I wasn't aware of what kind of thing he exactly used. The teacher only wants us to change the things i wrote to the lifting force and to ms-1. I JUST NEED HELP FINDING OUT THE LIFTING FORCE please... THE DATA WASN'T ACCURATE BECAUSE THE TEACHER DID IT QUICKLY...

25.55g is the original mass..

The other data we got was..
23.4 mass(g)
22 mass(g)
20.3 mass(g)
19.2 mass(g)
18.35 mass(g)

Now I want to convert these to the lifting force (N)...

Do we 25.5g - 23.4g = 2.1g... then x9.8 = 20.58g then change that to kg...? which = 0.0206
So that will be the N?

Or do we change 23.4g into kg = 0.0234 Then x it by 9.8 = 0.22932 which will be the N (lifting force?)..?

I just want to know how to change the given data to the LIFTING FORCE, I don't need any explanations or how and why cause that's the data that our teacher has given us.. forget the rest I only want these data and draw the graph and then get over it for now. Thanks.
 
Well?!
 
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What isn't clear is if the measured data is "gram force", or the actual force divided by gravity to get the "gram mass".

As far as the lifting force goes, you have it correct, the lifting force is the difference between the original mass (or original force) and the measured mass (or force) due to the air flow.
 

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