DC doesn't cause electromagnetism?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between direct current (DC) and electromagnetism, particularly whether DC can produce electromagnetic effects. Participants explore concepts related to electromagnetism, magnetostatics, and the functioning of electromagnets.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that electromagnetics involves time-varying electromagnetic waves, which do not arise from DC sources, leading to the conclusion that DC does not cause electromagnetism in that sense.
  • Others argue that any charge creates an electromagnetic field, and that a DC current does produce a magnetic field, particularly when passed through a wire or wrapped around a nail.
  • It is noted that while DC can produce a magnetic field, it does not create a varying magnetic field necessary for certain applications like transformers, unless it is pulsating DC.
  • Some participants express confusion regarding the teacher's statement, suggesting a potential misunderstanding or miscommunication about the nature of DC and its effects.
  • Several participants reference historical and theoretical aspects of electromagnetism, including the definition of the ampere and Oersted's discovery, to support their claims about DC's role in producing magnetic fields.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the interpretation of the teacher's statement regarding DC and electromagnetism. While some affirm that DC does produce a magnetic field, others question the clarity of the teacher's assertion and the implications of "causing electromagnetism."

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions about the definitions of electromagnetism and the conditions under which DC can be said to "work." The discussion reflects varying levels of understanding and interpretation of the concepts involved.

PrincePhoenix
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DC doesn't cause electromagnetism? That is what our teacher says. Can anyone explain why it doesn't? As far I remember I made an electromagnet from a nail by passing current through it from a battery cell about 6 years ago.
 
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Electromagnetics deals with time-varying electromagnetic waves which cannot arise due to DC sources. These are waves composed of oscillating electric and magnetic fields. The limit of electromagnetics when we go to DC is the electrostatic and magnetostatic theories. Magnetostatics certainly provides for a DC current to produce a magnetic field. Perhaps you misunderstood or your teacher mispoke.
 
Any charge creates an electromagnetic field, let alone current in which the field has both electric and magnetic components.

DC doesn't cause a varying magnetic field, which is required for certain electromagnetic components, eg. transformers.
 
I think what your teacher meant is that DC running through a straigh piece of wire will not produce a magnetic field although I'm not sure about that either. If you wrap a wire around a nail several times and run DC through the wire you will get a magnetic field though. It has to be an iron nail, no brass or steel.
 
Methinks PrincePhoenix should ask his teacher about that. I'm not very good at mind-reading, especially when I've never even met the person whose mind I'm trying to read. :wink:
 
He just says that DC doesn't work. And I might be doing something else in my "nail electromagnet" that I don't understand.
 
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PrincePhoenix said:
He just says that DC doesn't work.

But for what purpose? Your phrase "cause electromagnetism" is unclear.

These are the generalizations about electric charge:

1. Any charged particle, moving or not, just because it exists, causes an electric field.

2. If the charged particle is also moving, including the case of any current in any wire, constant or not, straight or curved, then, in addition to producing an electric field, it also produces a magnetic field.

3. If that current keeps varying, in either magnitude or direction, then it also produces electromagnetic *waves*, which transmit energy.
 
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PrincePhoenix said:
He just says that DC doesn't work. And I might be doing something else in my "nail electromagnet" that I don't understand.

No, a constant DC current does produce a magnetic field, period. Besides the Hyperphysics link that I posted, I've also done lab experiments which use an ordinary magnetic compass to study the magnetic field produced by a straight wire that carries a few amps of DC current.
 
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PrincePhoenix said:
He just says that DC doesn't work. And I might be doing something else in my "nail electromagnet" that I don't understand.

The ampere is defined with respect to the magnetic fields around two parallel straight wires each carrying a direct current.Also, if my history is correct H C Oersted discovered electromagnetism by passing a direct current through a straight wire.You need to speak to your teacher to get clarification.
 

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