DC motors -- speed control question

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around controlling the speed of DC motors (12V, 5A) using a joystick switch. Participants explore various methods for achieving fixed speed control, including the use of PWM circuits, simple switches, and relays, while also considering the implications of each approach.

Discussion Character

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  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using PWM circuits for speed control, questioning how to manage three motors with a two-axis joystick.
  • Another participant proposes that for fixed speed, a simple on-off switch could suffice, allowing speed control by adjusting the supply voltage, potentially reducing costs compared to using PWM.
  • Concerns are raised about the availability of a suitable joystick, with suggestions that most have potentiometers rather than simple switches.
  • A participant inquires about using a low power joystick with relays to control the motors, questioning if this would be a better option and whether it could have side effects on the motors.
  • Another participant challenges the notion of "better," indicating that using relays complicates the setup and that the necessity of relays is unclear based on the provided information.
  • Discussion includes the idea of protecting motors from high current situations, with questions about the effectiveness of using a resettable fuse for this purpose.
  • A participant shares an example of a 12V electronic control module used in Woodmizer sawmills, describing its setup with MOSFET transistors for variable speed control, suggesting it might be adaptable for higher voltage motors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity and effectiveness of PWM versus simpler control methods. There is no consensus on the best approach to control the motors, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the use of relays and their implications.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully defined the operational requirements or constraints for the motors, leaving open questions about the specific control needs and potential issues with motor protection.

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hi there,

I have 3 dc motors (12v-5 ampere)that are connected each with a speed reducer gearbox, actually I want to control these motors with a JOY-STICK switch just controlling there movements in fixed speed, should I use a pwm circuit to drive them or a simple 3-axes joy-stick is enough?
if yes, where can I find a joy-stick that meets my motors requirements?

thanks in advance
 
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bassam77 said:
hi there,

I have 3 dc motors (12v-5 ampere)that are connected each with a speed reducer gearbox, actually I want to control these motors with a JOY-STICK switch just controlling there movements in fixed speed, should I use a pwm circuit to drive them or a simple 3-axes joy-stick is enough?
if yes, where can I find a joy-stick that meets my motors requirements?

thanks in advance

Welcome to the PF.

For speed control on the DC motors, you need to use PWM circuits. How are you planning on controlling 3 motors with a 2-axis joystick?
 
bassam77 said:
in fixed speed, should I use a pwm circuit to drive them or a simple 3-axes joy-stick is enough?
if yes, where can I find a joy-stick that meets my motors requirements?

thanks in advance

Seeing as you want fixed speed you may not need PWM - simple on-off switch control will give you fixed speed, you can control that speed with by altering the supply voltage. It will probably cost a lot less than 3 x PWM.

The problem is that you may not be able to find a 3 axis Joystick with simple switches, they all seem to have pots like so:

http://www.superdroidrobots.com/shop/item.aspx/analog-3-axis-joystick/1263/

Which could control 3 PWM's or relays but not motors directlyThe arcade style 2 axis joysticks have 4 micro switches (8 positions in total) which could control four 10A loads directly.

http://www.arcadomaniashop.com/Arcade-Joystick-Japan/enUltimately it depends on how you want the motors to function relative to the joysticks positions...
 
what if I found a low power joy stick and connected it to the motors through relays?
what do you think in this case? isn't better?
if this scenario is accepted, does it affect the motor with any side effect?
can I use a resettable fuse as an example to protect my motors?
 
bassam77 said:
what if I found a low power joy stick and connected it to the motors through relays?
what do you think in this case? isn't better?
Define 'better'.
Using relays complicates things, whether this is necessary or even beneficial cannot be known with the information you've given.

if this scenario is accepted, does it affect the motor with any side effect?
can I use a resettable fuse as an example to protect my motors?

Relays are just regular switches as far your motors are concerned so will have the same effect as any other switch would.
Protect your motors from what exactly?
 
billy_joule said:
Define 'better'.
Using relays complicates things, whether this is necessary or even beneficial cannot be known with the information you've given.
Relays are just regular switches as far your motors are concerned so will have the same effect as any other switch would.
Protect your motors from what exactly?

protecting the motor from any high current may consume and hence damaging the gear as an example if the load differs or the motor jammed
 
Woodmizer sawmills use a 12v electronic control module with a 1k pot hooked to it. The output of the ECM feeds the gates of 4 IRFZ44N Mosfet transistors connected in parallel to power a 3/4 hp 12 volt DC motor from 0 to full speed with current up to 50 amps. The variable speed motor powers the carriage that saws the logs. You may be able to adapt this to higher voltage dc motors up to 48 volts. The Mosfets will go up to 55 volts. Power the ECM with 12 volts.
 

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