Deducing the solution of the von Neumann equation

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The discussion revolves around the von Neumann equation in quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on the time evolution of the density operator. Participants are exploring the relationship between the density operator and the time evolution operator, as well as the implications of the equation governing the dynamics of quantum states.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the derivation of the solution for the density operator and questions the necessity of the time evolution operator's placement. They also express uncertainty about whether other operators could be used in the verification process.
  • Some participants suggest using the definition of the von Neumann density operator to approach the problem, while others provide a specific form of the density operator and discuss its time derivative.
  • One participant references a source that outlines the solution steps, indicating a search for external validation of the approach.

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The discussion is active, with participants exploring different methods to derive the solution. There is no explicit consensus, but various interpretations and approaches are being examined, including the use of definitions and external resources for clarification.

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Homework Statement


\hat{\rho}(t)=? <br /> |\psi(t)\rangle=U(t,t_{0})|\psi(t_{0})\rangle <br /> \imath\hbar\partial_{t}\hat{p}=[\hat{H},\hat{\rho}] <br />

Homework Equations


<br /> \imath\hbar\partial_{t}\hat{p}=[\hat{H},\hat{\rho}] \Leftrightarrow\imath\hbar\partial_{t}\hat{p}=\hat{H}\hat{\rho}-\hat{\rho}\hat{H}<br />

The Attempt at a Solution



I already know the solution: \hat{\rho}(t)=\hat{U}\hat{\rho}(0)\hat{U}^{+}
But where do I get this from? How do I know that I have to write the time evolution operator multiplied once in front of the density operator and once the Hermitian conjugate after it?

Also, I tried to verify the solution:
\Rightarrow\imath\hbar\partial_{t}\hat{U}\hat{\rho}(0)\hat{U}^{+}=\hat{H}\hat{U}\hat{\rho}(0)\hat{U}^{+}-\hat{U}\hat{\rho}(0)\hat{U}^{+}\hat{H}=[H,\hat{\rho}(t)]
Can't I take any other operator instead of the time evolution operator at this place, since in my attempt to verify the solution the \hat{U} goes away again?

Or is this just guessing as one way to solve a differential equation. Then, still, how do you get the idea?
 
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Why don't you use the definition of the von Neumann density operator ?
 
The definition should be \hat{\rho}=\sum_{i}p_{n}|\psi(t)\rangle\langle\psi(t)|
I can do with that:
\partial_{t}\hat{\rho}=\partial_{t}\sum_{i}p_{n}| \psi(t)\rangle\langle\psi(t)|+ \sum_{i} p_{n}|\psi(t) \rangle\partial_{t}\langle\psi(t)| \Leftrightarrow<br /> <br /> \partial_{t}\hat{\rho}=\frac{1}{\imath\hbar}Hp_{n}|\psi(t)\rangle\langle\psi(t)|+\sum_{i}p_{n}|\psi(t)\rangle\frac{1}{\imath\hbar}H\langle\psi(t)| \Leftrightarrow<br /> \partial_{t}\hat{\rho}=\frac{1}{\imath\hbar}\hat{H}p_{n}|\psi(t)\rangle\langle\psi(t)|+\frac{1}{ \imath\hbar}\sum_{i}p_{n}|\psi(t)\rangle\langle \psi(t)\hat{H}|
 

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