Definite integral doesn't solve with L'Hopital

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the definite integral $$\int_0^\infty \frac{dx}{\left( x^2+r^2 \right)^{3/2}}$$ and the challenges faced when applying L'Hopital's rule to the problem. Participants explore various methods to approach the integral and question the validity of certain steps taken in the process.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the application of L'Hopital's rule and suggest alternative methods, such as dividing the numerator and denominator by x. There is a debate about the validity of manipulating expressions involving radicals and the need for limits in evaluating the integral.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing different perspectives on the approaches to the integral. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of limits and the sandwich theorem, but there is no explicit consensus on the best method to solve the problem.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of evaluating an improper integral and the implications of using L'Hopital's rule in this context. There are indications of confusion regarding the manipulation of expressions and the necessity of limits in certain evaluations.

Karol
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Originally posted in a technical math forum, so is missing the homework template
I want to solve:
$$\int_0^\infty \frac{dx}{\left( x^2+r^2 \right)^{3/2}}=\left[ \frac{x}{r^2\sqrt{x^2+r^2}}\right]_0^\infty$$
I apply L'Hopital's to the denominator:
$$\left(r^2\sqrt{x^2+r^2}\right)'=\frac{xr^2}{\sqrt{x^2+r^2}}$$
I apply again and agin L'Hopital to this but all the time almost the same result.
 
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Don't use L'Hopital. Divide the numerator and denominator by x.
 
Only the denominator:
$$\frac{r^2\sqrt{x^2+r^2}}{x}=\frac{r^4\left(x^2+r^2\right)}{x^2}=r^2\left(1+\frac{r^2}{x^2}\right)$$
And the whole integral is:
$$\left[ \frac{x}{r^2\sqrt{x^2+r^2}}\right]_0^\infty=\left[ \frac{1}{r^2\left(1+\frac{r^2}{x^2}\right)}\right]_0^\infty=\frac{1}{r^2}$$
Is that correct?
 
Karol said:
Only the denominator:
$$\frac{r^2\sqrt{x^2+r^2}}{x}=\frac{r^4\left(x^2+r^2\right)}{x^2}=r^2\left(1+\frac{r^2}{x^2}\right)$$
This isn't valid. You can't just go in and square something to get rid of the radical.
Karol said:
And the whole integral is:
$$\left[ \frac{x}{r^2\sqrt{x^2+r^2}}\right]_0^\infty=\left[ \frac{1}{r^2\left(1+\frac{r^2}{x^2}\right)}\right]_0^\infty=\frac{1}{r^2}$$
Is that correct?
It's the right answer but the work you show is definitely flaky. To evaluate the expression you have on the left, you need to use limits.
$$\frac{x}{r^2\sqrt{x^2 + r^2}} = \frac{x}{r^2x\sqrt{1 + (r^2/x^2)}}$$
Can you find the limit as x → ∞ of the last expression?
 
As x→∞:
##\frac{x}{r^2x\sqrt{1 + (r^2/x^2)}}<\frac{x}{r^2x}=\frac{1}{r^2}##
And on the other hand:
##\frac{x}{r^2x\sqrt{1 + (r^2/x^2)}}>\frac{\frac{x}{\sqrt{1 + (r^2/x^2)}}}{r^2x\sqrt{1 + (r^2/x^2)}}=\frac{x}{\left(1 + r^2/x^2\right)xr^2}=\frac{1}{\left(1 + r^2/x^2\right)r^2}\rightarrow\frac{1}{r^2}##
It's the sandwich rule, am i correct?
 
Karol said:
As x→∞:
##\frac{x}{r^2x\sqrt{1 + (r^2/x^2)}}<\frac{x}{r^2x}=\frac{1}{r^2}##
For any finite value of x, x/x = 1, so the factors of x in the numerator and denominator cancel. Inside the radical, r2/x2 → 0 as x → ∞.

The work would look like this:
$$\lim_{x \to \infty}\frac{x}{x r^2 \sqrt{1 + \frac{r^2}{x^2}}} = \lim_{x \to \infty} \frac{1}{r^2\sqrt{1 + \frac{r^2}{x^2}} } = \frac{1}{r^2}$$
You shouldn't have '<'.

Apparently you're trying to get a lower bound in the work below. Using the sandwich theorem is a lot more work here than is necessary.
Karol said:
And on the other hand:
##\frac{x}{r^2x\sqrt{1 + (r^2/x^2)}}>\frac{\frac{x}{\sqrt{1 + (r^2/x^2)}}}{r^2x\sqrt{1 + (r^2/x^2)}}=\frac{x}{\left(1 + r^2/x^2\right)xr^2}=\frac{1}{\left(1 + r^2/x^2\right)r^2}\rightarrow\frac{1}{r^2}##
It's the sandwich rule, am i correct?
 
Thanks
 

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