Definite Intergral (subtuition)

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The discussion revolves around evaluating definite integrals using substitution methods. The original poster presents a specific integral involving trigonometric functions and explores the substitution technique to simplify the problem.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the process of changing variables in integrals, specifically how to correctly apply limits of integration after substitution. There is also a shift to another integral involving polynomial and square root functions, where substitution is again considered.

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Participants are actively engaging with each other's attempts and clarifying steps in the substitution process. Some guidance has been offered regarding the evaluation of limits and the handling of expressions after substitution, indicating a productive exchange of ideas.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the evaluation limits after substitution, as well as the need to express one variable in terms of another in the context of the second integral. Participants are also navigating the implications of missing constants in their calculations.

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Homework Statement


Evaluate:
[tex]\displaystyle \int_{\pi/6}^{\pi/2} \frac{\cos(z)}{\sin^{9}(z)}\, dz[/tex]

Homework Equations


[tex]u=sin(z)\longrightarrow\space\,du=cos(z)dz[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution


After making the substitution and simplifying I got the[tex]\displaystyle \int_a^b g(u)\,du[/tex] where:
g(u) =[tex]\frac{1}{u^9}[/tex]
a =1
b = .5
Then I do [tex]\displaystyle\int_{.5}^{1}\frac{1}{u^9}\,du\longrightarrow\frac{-1}{8sin(z)^8}[/tex]
I evaluated that on the interval [.5,1] but I got wrong answer, I know I went wrong somewhere.
 
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Did you evaluate z from [.5,1] or u? You should evaluate u over that interval or if you want to change back to z, then use the z limits.
 
Ah,
I think I evaluated:
[tex]\frac{-1}{8sin(z)^8}[/tex]
z from .5 to 1.
so I evaluate u first?
 
You already changed the z limits to u limits. You may as well just evaluate -1/(8*u^8) between them.
 
Ah thanks,
One more question for you
How would I go about evaluating:
[tex]\displaystyle \int_0^1 x^2\sqrt{7 x + 9}\,dx[/tex]
what sub would help me out?
 
It would help you a lot. You would get sqrt(u) times a polynomial in u. And then everything would turn into fractional powers. Try it! You'll like it!
 
Dick said:
It would help you a lot. You would get sqrt(u) times a polynomial in u. And then everything would turn into fractional powers. Try it! You'll like it!
LOL.

[tex]\displaystyle \int_0^1 x^2\sqrt{7 x + 9}\,dx[/tex]
[tex]u=7x+9\longrightarrow\,du=7dx[/tex]
So
[tex]\displaystyle \int_{9}^{16} x^2\sqrt{u}\,du[/tex]
What do I do to rid of the x^2!
 
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Solve for x in terms of u. BTW what happened to the 1/7 as in dx=du/7.?
 
[tex]\frac{1}{7}\displaystyle \int_{9}^{16} x^2\sqrt{u}\,du[/tex]
Oh you mean that one?:wink:

So do you mean:
[tex]\frac{d}{du}=2u[/tex]?
then[tex]\displaystyle \int_{9}^{16} 2u\sqrt{u}\,du[/tex] ??
 
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Yes, I mean that one. But on the other question I mean why not put x=(u-9)/7? So x^2=(u-9)^2/49. Then expand and multiply by u^(1/2)?
 
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Ahhh I see what you mean:
[tex]\frac{1}{7}\displaystyle \int_{9}^{16} x^2\sqrt{u}\,du[/tex]
[tex]x=(u-9)/7[/tex]So:
[tex]\frac{1}{7}\displaystyle \int_{9}^{16} (\frac{u-9}{7})^2\sqrt{u}\,du[/tex]
[tex]\frac{1}{7}\displaystyle \int_{9}^{16} (\frac{(u-9)^2}{49})\sqrt{u}\,du[/tex]
I then can expand and evaluate from there, correct?
 
  • #12
Sure then you'll just get stuff like u^(5/2) etc. Easy to handle for one of your obvious abilities! Sorry, got to go. zzzzzzz.
 

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