Derivation of cutoff frequency for RC circuit?

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the cutoff frequency for an RC circuit, specifically exploring the relationship between resistance (R), capacitance (C), and frequency (f). Participants examine various approaches to understanding and deriving the formula, including references to impedance and power considerations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the derivation of the cutoff frequency formula, Fc = 1/2πRC, expressing a desire for proof rather than acceptance of the equation.
  • Another participant states that the cutoff frequency occurs when the impedance of the capacitor (Zc) equals the resistance (R), suggesting that Laplace transforms are unnecessary for this derivation.
  • A similar point is reiterated, emphasizing that the cutoff frequency is defined at the -3dB point, where power is halved, and both impedances are equal.
  • Different formulations for the cutoff frequency are presented, including the condition for phase shift and the magnitude of the transfer function, indicating a more complex understanding of the concept.
  • One participant proposes a step-by-step approach to derive the cutoff frequency, starting from the definition of corner frequency and the relationship between R and Zc.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying viewpoints on the necessity of Laplace transforms and the methods for deriving the cutoff frequency. While some agree on the basic premise of impedance equality, the discussion remains unresolved regarding the preferred approach and the completeness of the derivation.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention specific conditions such as the applicability of the formula to first-order RC circuits and the significance of the -3dB point, which may imply limitations in the generalizability of certain claims.

yosimba2000
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How is it derived?

The cutoff frequency is Fc = 1/2piRC. R = resistance, C = capacitance.

I read somewhere it has to do with Laplace Transforms, but I'm not sure where to go from here. It kind of irks me to just accept this equation without some proof.

Thanks!
 
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Cutoff freq is where C impedance and R impedance are equal. I. e. where ##R = {1\over \omega C}## . No need for Laplace to solve this. See e.g. here
 
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BvU said:
Cutoff freq is where C impedance and R impedance are equal. I. e. where ##\R = {1\over \omega C}## . No need for Laplace to solve this. See e.g. here
The cut off frequency is measured at -3dB, which is the ½ power point. When the impedance of R and C are equal, ½ the power flows in each. Thus the above.
 
There are different formulations for the cut-off wc:
* R=1/(wc*C) is correct, applies for 1st order RC circuits only
* In general for the denominator D(jw): IM(D(jwc))=R(D(jwc)); this is the frequency where the phase shift is exactly -45 deg.
* This is identical to the requirement for the magnitude of the transfer function: H(jwc)=H(0)/SQRT(2); this is identical to the well-known 3dB requirement
* In the s-domain: wc is the value of the magnitude of the phasor in the s-plane between the origin and the pole location.
 
yosimba2000 said:
How is it derived?
The cutoff frequency is Fc = 1/2piRC. R = resistance, C = capacitance.

Lets assume a series capacitor feeding a resistor.
First you have to define the corner frequency in a general sense. As above, it is at -3dB, which is when the power dissipated in the load is reduced to half.
The power dissipated in the load is reduced to half when the R and Zc are equal. You should derive that as an exercise.

From above, when R equals Zc (impedance of the capacitor) that is considered the corner frequency for a simple RC circuit.

for a capacitor, Z = 1/(2*pi*f*C)

So to derive the formula, just set R equal to 1/(2*pi*f*C) and solve for f
 

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