Derivation of heat transfer equation for spherical coordinates

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the heat transfer equation in spherical coordinates, focusing on the application of fundamental heat transfer principles and the mathematical formulation of the problem. Participants explore the relationships between thermal conductivity, heat flow rates, and temperature gradients in a spherical context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to begin the derivation of the heat transfer equation.
  • Another participant proposes starting from the fundamental equation for heat transfer, suggesting that the rate of heat flow can vary across the volume element.
  • A different participant presents an equation involving thermal conductivity, temperature gradients, and dissipation rates, questioning the correctness of their formulation.
  • Concerns are raised about the dimensional consistency of the terms in the equations presented, with one participant noting that the terms do not match and cannot be manipulated as suggested.
  • There is a suggestion to eliminate the heat flow rate in favor of an expression involving the dissipation rate per volume, indicating a need for further exploration of this relationship.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the correctness of the equations presented, and there are competing views on how to approach the derivation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the proper formulation and manipulation of the equations.

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Participants note issues with dimensional analysis and the manipulation of terms within derivatives, indicating potential limitations in the mathematical steps taken. There is also an acknowledgment of the need for careful consideration of the relationships between variables in spherical coordinates.

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Homework Statement



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where λ= thermal conductivity
\dot{q}= dissipation rate per volume

Homework Equations



qx=-kA\frac{dT}{dx}

The Attempt at a Solution



I don't know where to start from to be honest, so any help would be greatly appreciated
 

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I've had to think on this one for some time; I hope what I write is correct:

Start with the fundamental equation for heat transfer:

dQ/dt = λAΔT/Δr
where
dQ/dt = Qdot = rate of heat flow across area A;
λ = conductivity;
ΔT = temperature difference across volume element AΔr.

What is ΔT/Δr in the limit as Δr → 0?

Then: what is the volume element AΔr in spherical coordinates? (Heat flows thru the volume element from one side of area A to the other side, also of area A, the two sides separated by Δr. )

Now for the big step: realize that Qdot need not be constant along Δr. In other words, Qdot can be different for the two end-sides of your elemental volume. So in the limit the derivative d(Qdot)/dr can be finite. So your last equation is to equate how Qdot changes along Δr to what the problem calls the "dissipation rate per volume".
 
OK so this is what I got:

-λ4r2\frac{dT}{dr} + \dot{q}4∏r2dr = ρc4∏r2\frac{dT}{dτ}dr -4∏r2(λ\frac{dT}{dr} + \frac{d}{dr}(λ\frac{dT}{dr})dr)

Is this correct?

Since the flow is steady the time derivative \frac{dT}{dτ}=0

But then when I rearrange everything I get:

r2\frac{d}{dr}(λ\frac{dT}{dr}) + \dot{q}r2 = 0

can I just take the r2 inside the differential bracket?

EDIT: missed out a dr in the rearranged equation:

r2\frac{d}{dr}(λ\frac{dT}{dr})dr + \dot{q}r2 = 0
 
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Your (edited) equation has incompatible terms: the first is infinitesimal, the second isn't. Plus, the terms' dimensions don't agree: the first one's are (using SI) J/sec whereas the second one's are J/(sec-m).

Ironically, your unedited equation has matching dimensions but you can't smuggle the r2 into the d/dr bracket as you wondered. (That's just basic calculus: for example, r2d/dr(r2) = 2r3 whereas d/dr(r4) = 4r3.)

Going back to my "first principles" equation , Q_dot = λAΔT/Δr, you seem to have correctly determined that, in spherical coordinates, A = 4πr2 and, of course, ΔT/Δr → dT/dr. So your remaining task, and it does take some thinking, is to somehow get rid of Q_dot and substitute for it an expression containing q_dot. (Sorry, I haven't learned the itex thing yet). So that you wind up with
-d/dr{λr(dT/dr)} = r2q_dot. That is really the hard part about this problem.
 

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