Derivation of the kinetic energy equation in terms of distance.

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the kinetic energy equation in terms of distance, exploring the relationship between force, mass, acceleration, and energy without directly referencing velocity. Participants examine the mathematical steps involved in the derivation and the implications of treating distance and its derivatives.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a derivation of the kinetic energy equation using force and distance, questioning why the result does not yield the expected kinetic energy formula.
  • Another participant challenges the last step of the derivation, suggesting a potential confusion between differentials of distance and time.
  • A later reply acknowledges the confusion and clarifies the correct steps leading to the kinetic energy equation.
  • Further clarification is provided, showing the integration process and confirming the correct formulation of kinetic energy as 0.5*M*(x')^2.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion shows a progression from confusion to clarification regarding the derivation steps, with some participants agreeing on the final form of the kinetic energy equation while initial misunderstandings were present.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of correctly distinguishing between differentials and the implications of integrating with respect to distance versus time.

CraigH
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I have seen the derivation of the kinetic energy equation using

F=M*v'
and
E=F*x

And I can see how this works, however if you try to do this without thinking about velocity, and only thinking about the rate of change of distance, and the rate of change of rate of change of distance, then the derivation doesn't work, as shown below.

F = Force
M = Mass
x = Distance

Force = mass * acceleration and
Energy = the integral of force with respect to distance:

F = M * x''
E = integral ( F .dx )

sub F into E = integral ( F .dx )

E = integral ( M * x'' .dx )
E = M * integral ( x'' .dx )
E = M * x'

Which isn't true. E should equal 0.5*M*(x')^2
Why does this not work?

Thanks
 
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CraigH said:
E = integral ( M * x'' .dx )
E = M * integral ( x'' .dx )
E = M * x'
How did you get that last step? (Are mixing up dx with dt?)
 
Ahhhhh yes I am. Thankyou! I get this now.
 
In case anyone was wondering

E = M * integral ( x'' .dx )

E= M * integral ( d(dx/dt)/dt .dx)

E = M * integral ( dx/dt .d(dx/dt))

E= M*0.5*(dx/dt)^2

E=0.5*M*(x')^2
 

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