Derivative of a product of 3 terms

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The discussion revolves around taking the derivative of a product involving three terms, specifically the expression \( \frac{d}{dx} (3x^3 y^2 y'^2) \). Participants are examining the application of the product rule for derivatives in this context.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to apply the product rule for derivatives and are questioning the correctness of their calculations. There are discussions about the proper application of the chain rule, particularly when differentiating terms like \( y^2 \) and \( y'^2 \).

Discussion Status

Several participants have pointed out errors in the application of the derivative rules. There is a focus on ensuring that the chain rule is applied correctly, and some suggest verifying the results with specific example functions to check the validity of the derived expressions.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the amount of direct guidance provided. There is an emphasis on understanding the differentiation process rather than simply arriving at a solution.

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Homework Statement



Taking derivative of 3 term product.

## \frac{d}{dx} (3x^3 y^2 y'^2) ##

Homework Equations



I read that
(abc)' = (ab)c' + (bc)a' + (ca)b'

The Attempt at a Solution


## 9x^2(y^2y'^2) + 6x^3yy'^2 + 6x^3y^2y' ##

is this correct ?
 
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knockout_artist said:

Homework Statement



Taking derivative of 3 term product.

## \frac{d}{dx} (3x^3 y^2 y'^2) ##

Homework Equations



I read that
(abc)' = (ab)c' + (bc)a' + (ca)b'

The Attempt at a Solution


## 9x^2(y^2y'^2) + 6x^3yy'^2 + 6x^3y^2y' ##

is this correct ?
No.
The first term is correct, but the last two aren't. The middle term arises from ##3x^3 \cdot \frac d {dx} y^2 \cdot y'^2##. You haven't used the chain rule correctly when differentiating ##y^2##. And similarly for the 3rd term. For that 3rd term, you should end up with a factor of y''.
 
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No. While the rule is correct (and a direct result from repeatedly applying the rule for the derivative of a product) you are not doing the derivatives correctly. Note that dy/dx = y’(x) etc
 
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knockout_artist said:

Homework Statement



Taking derivative of 3 term product.

## \frac{d}{dx} (3x^3 y^2 y'^2) ##

Homework Equations



I read that
(abc)' = (ab)c' + (bc)a' + (ca)b'

The Attempt at a Solution


## 9x^2(y^2y'^2) + 6x^3yy'^2 + 6x^3y^2y' ##

is this correct ?

Two things. First, you need to learn the chain rule. Second, you can check these things by taking an example, say ##y = x^2## or ##y = \sin x##, and checking your formula. If it's wrong for your example function, then it's wrong in general.
 
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knockout_artist said:

Homework Statement



Taking derivative of 3 term product.

## \frac{d}{dx} (3x^3 y^2 y'^2) ##

Homework Equations



I read that
(abc)' = (ab)c' + (bc)a' + (ca)b'

The Attempt at a Solution


## 9x^2(y^2y'^2) + 6x^3yy'^2 + 6x^3y^2y' ##

is this correct ?

Your "abc" equation gives
$$ (3 x^3 y^2 y'^2)' = (3 x^3 y^2 ) (y'^2)' + (3x^3 y'^2) (y^2)' + (3 y^2 y'^2) (x^3)'.$$
After that you must be much more careful than you were.
 
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