Derivative of inverse tangent function

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The discussion revolves around finding the derivative of the inverse tangent function, specifically for the expression tan^{-1}(3sinx/(4+5cosx)). Participants are exploring the differentiation process and the simplification of the resulting expression.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to differentiate the function using the derivative formula for the inverse tangent. They express uncertainty about the correctness of their components and seek confirmation. Other participants provide feedback on the simplification process and question the accuracy of certain steps in the calculations.

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Some participants have offered guidance on how to approach the simplification of the derivative, while others have pointed out potential errors in the calculations. The conversation reflects a collaborative effort to clarify the steps involved, with no clear consensus on the final form of the derivative yet.

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Homework Statement



Find derivative of tan[itex]^{-1}[/itex]([itex]\frac{3sinx}{4+5cosx}[/itex])

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deriviative of tan[itex]^{-1}[/itex]=[itex]\frac{U'}{1+U^{2}}[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution



I found U'= [itex]\frac{12cosx+15}{(4+5cosx)^{2}}[/itex]

1+U[itex]^{2}[/itex]=1+[itex]\frac{9sin^{2}x}{(4+5cosx)^{2}}[/itex]


I think my components are correct but my answer is still incorrect. Are these basic components even correct (if so I can proceed on my own from here)?

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hi biochem850! :smile:

looks ok so far
 
How do you then simplify:

[itex]\frac{U'}{1+U^{2}}[/itex]?

I've tried to simplify this but with no luck.
 
Can someone please help me?
 
hi biochem850! :wink:

(just got up :zzz:)

well, the (4 + 5cosx)2 should cancel and disappear …

show us your full calculations, and then we'll know how to help! :smile:
 
[itex]\frac{12cosx+15}{(4+5cosx)^{2}}[/itex]*1+[itex]\frac{(4+5cosx)^{2}}{9sin^{2}x}[/itex]=

[itex]\frac{12cosx+15(9sin^{2}x)+(4+5cosx)^{2}(4+5cosx)^{2}}{(4+5cosx)^{2}(9sin^{2}x)}[/itex]

I'm not sure this is correct.
 
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hmm :rolleyes: … let's use tex instead of itex, to make it bigger :wink:
biochem850 said:
[tex]\frac{12cosx+15}{(4+5cosx)^{2}} \left(1+\frac{(4+5cosx)^{2}}{9sin^{2}x}\right)[/tex]=

[tex]\frac{12cosx+15}{9sin^{2}x}[/tex]=[tex]\frac{3(4cosx+5)}{9sin^{2}x}[/tex]

no, that first line is wrong,

the bracket is 1 + 1/U2, it should be 1/(1 + U2)
 
tiny-tim said:
hmm :rolleyes: … let's use tex instead of itex, to make it bigger :wink:

no, that first line is wrong,

the bracket is 1 + 1/U2, it should be 1/(1 + U2)

I changed my work just before you posted
 
biochem850 said:
I changed my work just before you posted

but you didn't change the bit i said was wrong :confused:
 
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tiny-tim said:
but you didn't change the bit i said was wrong :confused:

[itex]\frac{12cosx+15}{(4+5cosx)^{2}}[/itex][itex]\frac{(4+5cosx)^{2}+1}{9sin^{2}x+1}[/itex]=


[itex]\frac{12cosx+15}{9sin^{2}x+1}[/itex]
I'm not sure this is correct. I really don't understand what you asked me to change.
 
  • #11
change your original …
biochem850 said:
1+[itex]\frac{9sin^{2}x}{(4+5cosx)^{2}}[/itex]

… to something with (4 + 5cosx)2 on the bottom
 
  • #12
tiny-tim said:
change your original …

… to something with (4 + 5cosx)2 on the bottom



[itex]\frac{(4+5cosx)^{2}+9sin^{2}x}{(4+5cosx)^{2}}[/itex]?
 
  • #13
biochem850 said:
[itex]\frac{(4+5cosx)^{2}+9sin^{2}x}{(4+5cosx)^{2}}[/itex]?

yup! :smile:

now turn that upside-down, and multiply, and the (4 + 5cosx)2 should cancel :wink:
 
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[itex]\frac{12cosx+15}{(4+5cosx)^{2}+9sin^{2}x}[/itex]

In terms of finding the derivative I know I've found it but this can be simplified further.

I don't know if I'm tired or what because I cannot seem to do these very simple problems. This does not bode well for my calculus mark. Would you factor out a 3 in the numerator and then see what will simplify?
 
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biochem850 said:
Would you factor out a 3 in the numerator and then see what will simplify?

no, and i'd be very surprised if this simplifies

(except that you could get rid of the sin2 by using cos2 + sin2 = 1 :wink:)

get some sleep! :zzz:​
 
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tiny-tim said:
no, and i'd be very surprised if this simplifies

(except that you could get rid of the sin2 by using cos2 + sin2 = 1 :wink:)

get some sleep! :zzz:​

Through some weird algebraic manipulation I simplified down to [itex]\frac{3}{5+4cosx}[/itex]. I believe this is correct. I'm going to sleep.:smile:

Thanks so much!
 

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