Derivative of inverse trig functions

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The discussion revolves around finding the derivative of the natural logarithm of the inverse secant function, specifically ln(sec-1(3x2 + 1)). Participants are exploring the application of derivative rules for inverse trigonometric functions.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • One participant attempts to derive the expression but questions its correctness and simplification. Others express skepticism about the result, suggesting that it lacks sufficient trigonometric components. There are inquiries into the proper method for differentiating inverse functions.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing guidance on the derivative of inverse functions. Multiple interpretations of the derivative expression are being explored, and there is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the initial attempt.

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There is a noted difficulty in interpreting the original expression due to a lack of parentheses, which may affect clarity. Participants are also considering the implications of trigonometric identities in their reasoning.

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Homework Statement



ln(sec^-1(3x^2 +1))

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution



1/sec-1(3x2+1) * 1/(3x2+1)(sqrt(3x2+1)2-1) * 6x

Is this correct ?, do I just simplify from here ?
 
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It looks wrong. There should be more trigonometric stuff in the result. How did you get that result? Do you know how to take the derivative of an inverse function: $$(f^{-1})'(x)=?$$
 
TheRedDevil18 said:

Homework Statement



ln(sec^-1(3x^2 +1))

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



1/sec-1(3x2+1) * 1/(3x2+1)(sqrt(3x2+1)2-1) * 6x

Is this correct ?, do I just simplify from here ?

If you mean:
$$\frac{1}{\sec^{-1}(3x^2+1)}\frac{1}{(3x^2+1)\sqrt{(3x^2+1)^2-1}}(6x)$$
then yes, it is correct. :smile:
 
Fredrik said:
It looks wrong. There should be more trigonometric stuff in the result. How did you get that result? Do you know how to take the derivative of an inverse function: $$(f^{-1})'(x)=?$$

It's a little hard to interpret exactly without more parantheses, but it looks ok to me. What kind of 'more trignonometric' stuff are you looking for?
 
Dick said:
It's a little hard to interpret exactly without more parantheses, but it looks ok to me. What kind of 'more trignonometric' stuff are you looking for?
I didn't try to work it all out, but I'm thinking that
$$\frac{d}{dx}\sec^{-1}(f(x))=(\sec^{-1})'(f(x))f'(x)=\frac{1}{\sec'(\sec^{-1}(f(x)))}f'(x)$$ and
$$\sec'(x)=\frac{d}{dx}\frac{1}{\cos x}=-\frac{1}{\cos^2x}(-\sin x).$$ So it looks like we get a big mess of "trigonometric stuff". But since you're both saying that he's right, I assume that I'm missing something.
 
Fredrik said:
I didn't try to work it all out, but I'm thinking that
$$\frac{d}{dx}\sec^{-1}(f(x))=(\sec^{-1})'(f(x))f'(x)=\frac{1}{\sec'(\sec^{-1}(f(x)))}f'(x)$$ and
$$\sec'(x)=\frac{d}{dx}\frac{1}{\cos x}=-\frac{1}{\cos^2x}(-\sin x).$$ So it looks like we get a big mess of "trigonometric stuff". But since you're both saying that he's right, I assume that I'm missing something.

I'd do it the other way around. Since sec(arcsec(x))=x, sec'(arcsec(x))*arcsec'(x)=1. sec'=sec*tan and tan(arcsec(x))=sqrt(x^2-1). No trig left in the end.
 

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