Derivatives of Jacobian Matrices: t^2-s^2, ts

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The discussion revolves around the derivatives of Jacobian matrices related to the functions defined by \(x=t^2-s^2\), \(y=ts\), \(u=x\), and \(v=-y\). Participants are exploring the computation of derivative matrices and the application of the chain rule in this context.

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  • Participants discuss the computation of derivative matrices and express \( (u,v) \) in terms of \( (t,s) \). There are questions about the correctness of the derivative matrices and the notation used. Some participants seek clarification on verifying the chain rule.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the derivative matrices, with some participants providing feedback on notation and suggesting corrections. Questions remain about verifying the chain rule and the proper expression of variables.

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Participants note potential errors in notation and expressions, particularly in part (b) of the problem. There is a focus on ensuring clarity and adherence to the notation used in academic resources.

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x=t^2-s^2, y=ts,u=x,v=-y

a) compute derivative matrices \vec{D}f(x,y) = \left[\begin{array}{cc}2t&-2s\\s&t\end{array}\right]

\vec{D}f(u,v) = \left[\begin{array}{cc}1&0\\0&-1\end{array}\right]

b) express (u,v) in terms of (t,s)

f(u(x,y),v(x,y) = (t^2-s^2,-(ts))

c) Evaluate \vec{D}(u,v)

\vec{D}(u,v) = \left[\begin{array}{cc}1&0\\0&-1\end{array}\right] \left[\begin{array}{cc}2t&-2s\\s&t\end{array}\right]

= \left[\begin{array}{cc}2t&-2s\\-s&-t\end{array}\right]

d) verify if chain rule holdsneed help with this last part, also need to know if I even did the rest correctly
 
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x=t^2-s^2, y=ts,u=x,v=-y

a) compute derivative matrices \vec{D}f(x,y) = \left[\begin{array}{cc}2t&-2s\\s&t\end{array}\right]

\vec{D}f(u,v) = \left[\begin{array}{cc}1&0\\0&-1\end{array}\right]

b) express (u,v) in terms of (t,s)

f(u(x,y),v(x,y) = (t^2-s2,-(ts))

c) Evaluate \vec{D}(u,v)

\vec{D}(u,v) = \left[\begin{array}{cc}1&0\\0&-1\end{array}\right] \left[\begin{array}{cc}2t&-2s\\s&t\end{array}\right]

= \left[\begin{array}{cc}2t&-2s\\-s&-t\end{array}\right]

d) verify if chain rule holdsneed help with this last part, also need to know if I even did the rest correctly

Part a) looks okay, but the notation is a little rough. Something more like:

<br /> J_{s, t}(x,y) = \begin{pmatrix}<br /> x_s &amp; x_t \\<br /> y_s &amp; y_t<br /> \end{pmatrix}, \quad<br /> <br /> J_{x, y}(u,v) = \begin{pmatrix}<br /> u_x &amp; u_y \\<br /> v_x &amp; v_y<br /> \end{pmatrix}<br />

##J_{s, t}(x,y)## and ##J_{x, y}(u,v)## are the Jacobian matricies.

I'm sure you meant ##u = t^2 - s^2## for part b).

For part c), I'm sure what is intended is you find the derivative matrix ##J_{s, t}(u,v)## after expressing ##u## and ##v## as functions of ##s## and ##t##.
 
Zondrina said:
Part a) looks okay, but the notation is a little rough. Something more like:

<br /> J_{s, t}(x,y) = \begin{pmatrix}<br /> x_s &amp; x_t \\<br /> y_s &amp; y_t<br /> \end{pmatrix}, \quad<br /> <br /> J_{x, y}(u,v) = \begin{pmatrix}<br /> u_x &amp; u_y \\<br /> v_x &amp; v_y<br /> \end{pmatrix}<br />

##J_{s, t}(x,y)## and ##J_{x, y}(u,v)## are the Jacobian matricies.

I'm sure you meant ##u = t^2 - s^2## for part b).

For part c), I'm sure what is intended is you find the derivative matrix ##J_{s, t}(u,v)## after expressing ##u## and ##v## as functions of ##s## and ##t##.

I fixed the error in (b) and yeah that's what I want for (c), I'm using the notation that is used in my book/what my professor uses

as for part (d) how do I verify this
 
jonroberts74 said:
I fixed the error in (b) and yeah that's what I want for (c), I'm using the notation that is used in my book/what my professor uses

as for part (d) how do I verify this

For part d), if ##f## is a function of ##u## and ##v##, which are functions of ##x## and ##y##, which are functions of ##s## and ##t##, what is the partial derivative of ##f## with respect to ##u##? How about the partial with respect to ##v##?
 
(\frac{\partial f}{\partial u})_{t,s} = 2t,-2s \,\,\, (\frac{\partial f}{\partial v})_{t,s} = -s,-t

I know this is kind of an abuse of notation but I've been typing LaTeX all day
 
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jonroberts74 said:
(\frac{\partial f}{\partial u})_{t,s} = 2t,-2s \,\,\, (\frac{\partial f}{\partial v})_{t,s} = -s,-t

I know this is kind of an abuse of notation but I've been typing LaTeX all day

Looks good.
 
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