Derivatives of trig functions and isosceles triangles.

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The discussion revolves around the rates of change in an isosceles triangle, specifically focusing on how the base angle changes as the altitude increases. The problem involves understanding the relationship between the area of the triangle and its dimensions, as well as the application of trigonometric functions in this context.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between the altitude and the base angle using trigonometric identities and derivatives. There is an attempt to apply the area formula to find the height and its implications on the angle's rate of change.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on identifying errors in the initial setup, particularly regarding the area of the triangle and its implications for the calculations. There are ongoing questions about the correctness of the remaining equations and the overall approach taken.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem specifies an area of 100 cm² for the original triangle, which has led to confusion regarding the dimensions used in calculations. There is also mention of the altitude increasing at a specific rate, which is central to the problem's context.

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The base of an isosceles triangle is 20 cm and the altitude is increasing at the rate of 1 cm/min. At what rate is the base angle increasing when the area is 100 cm2?

I wasnt really sure where to start on this question so i tried my best at an answer. I'm sure I've gone wrong with this question so i appreciate any guidance.

the isosceles triangle divides into two right triangles with bases of 10 cm and areas 50 cm2

tan[tex]\theta[/tex] = [tex]\frac{h}{10}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{d\theta}{dt}[/tex] sec[tex]^{2}[/tex] [tex]\theta[/tex] = [tex]\frac{1}{10}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{d\theta}{dt}[/tex] = [tex]\frac{1}{10}[/tex]. cos [tex]^{2}[/tex] [tex]\theta[/tex]

A = [tex]\frac{1}{2}[/tex] b x h

50 = [tex]\frac{1}{2}[/tex] (10) . h
h = 10

tan [tex]\theta[/tex] = [tex]\frac{10}{10}[/tex]
tan [tex]\theta[/tex] = 1

we know,

sin[tex]^{2}[/tex] [tex]\theta[/tex] + cos[tex]^{2}[/tex] [tex]\theta[/tex] = 1

(cos[tex]\theta[/tex] tan [tex]\theta[/tex]) [tex]^{2}[/tex] + cos [tex]^{2}[/tex] [tex]\theta[/tex] = 1

2 cos[tex]^{2}[/tex] [tex]\theta[/tex] = 1
cos[tex]^{2}[/tex] [tex]\theta[/tex] = [tex]\frac{1}{2}[/tex]


[tex]\frac{d\theta}{dt}[/tex] = [tex]\frac{1}{10}[/tex] . cos[tex]^{2}[/tex] [tex]\theta[/tex]

= [tex]\frac{1}{10}[/tex] . cos[tex]^{2}[/tex][tex]\frac{1}{2}[/tex]
= 0.077 rads / min

or 4.6 rads /s


Thanks in advance!
 
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lamerali said:
The base of an isosceles triangle is 20 cm and the altitude is increasing at the rate of 1 cm/min. At what rate is the base angle increasing when the area is 100 cm2?

I wasnt really sure where to start on this question so i tried my best at an answer. I'm sure I've gone wrong with this question so i appreciate any guidance.

the isosceles triangle divides into two right triangles with bases of 10 cm and areas 50 cm2

tan[tex]\theta[/tex] = [tex]\frac{h}{10}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{d\theta}{dt}[/tex] sec[tex]^{2}[/tex] [tex]\theta[/tex] = [tex]\frac{1}{10}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{d\theta}{dt}[/tex] = [tex]\frac{1}{10}[/tex]. cos [tex]^{2}[/tex] [tex]\theta[/tex]

A = [tex]\frac{1}{2}[/tex] b x h

50 = [tex]\frac{1}{2}[/tex] (10) . h
h = 10
Here's your error. "when the area is 100 cm2" refers to the original isosceles triangle and that had base 20, not 10.

tan [tex]\theta[/tex] = [tex]\frac{10}{10}[/tex]
tan [tex]\theta[/tex] = 1

we know,

sin[tex]^{2}[/tex] [tex]\theta[/tex] + cos[tex]^{2}[/tex] [tex]\theta[/tex] = 1

(cos[tex]\theta[/tex] tan [tex]\theta[/tex]) [tex]^{2}[/tex] + cos [tex]^{2}[/tex] [tex]\theta[/tex] = 1

2 cos[tex]^{2}[/tex] [tex]\theta[/tex] = 1
cos[tex]^{2}[/tex] [tex]\theta[/tex] = [tex]\frac{1}{2}[/tex]


[tex]\frac{d\theta}{dt}[/tex] = [tex]\frac{1}{10}[/tex] . cos[tex]^{2}[/tex] [tex]\theta[/tex]

= [tex]\frac{1}{10}[/tex] . cos[tex]^{2}[/tex][tex]\frac{1}{2}[/tex]
= 0.077 rads / min

or 4.6 rads /s


Thanks in advance!
 
HallsofIvy said:
Here's your error. "when the area is 100 cm2" refers to the original isosceles triangle and that had base 20, not 10.

but if i plug in
A = (1/2) b x h

100 = (1/2) (20) h

h is still equal to 10 cm. Is that the only error you see? because that does not effect the rest of the equation...:S
 
is the rest of this equation anywhere near correct?? :(
 

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