Derive the density of an ideal gas as a function of temperature?

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The discussion revolves around deriving the density of an ideal gas as a function of temperature while keeping pressure constant. Participants are exploring the implications of the ideal gas law and how density relates to temperature under these conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants attempt to express density in terms of pressure, molecular weight, and temperature using the ideal gas equation. There are questions about the relationship between density and the number of moles per volume, as well as the implications of the gas expanding or compressing at constant pressure.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants questioning the clarity of the original problem statement and exploring different interpretations of how temperature affects density. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between temperature and density, but no consensus has been reached on the specifics of the derivation.

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Participants note uncertainty regarding the phrasing of the question and its implications for the derivation process. There is an ongoing exploration of how to relate mass, volume, and molecular weight in the context of the ideal gas law.

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derive the density of an ideal gas as a function of temperature??

Homework Statement


Derive the density of an ideal gas when it is allowed to expand as a function of temperature when pressure is kept constant/


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


density= PM/(RT) , where M is the molecular weight
or ∂ρ/∂T =M/(RT)
or ρ(V,P),then keep P constant, ∂ρ/∂V =∂<PM/(RT)>

actually i am not sure what the question asking about . Thank you
 
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Outrageous said:

Homework Statement


Derive the density of an ideal gas when it is allowed to expand as a function of temperature when pressure is kept constant/

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution


density= PM/(RT) , where M is the molecular weight
or ∂ρ/∂T =M/(RT)
or ρ(V,P),then keep P constant, ∂ρ/∂V =∂<PM/(RT)>

actually i am not sure what the question asking about . Thank you
Relate the mass of the gas to the volume using the ideal gas equation. Use n = m/M where m is the mass of the gas and M is the molecular weight or mass/mole of the gas.

What is n/V? How is n/V related to density of the gas?

AM
 


m/V is density of gas system
n /V is density of gas molecule?
I don't know how to relate.
 


Outrageous said:
m/V is density of gas system
... and since m = nM... the density of the gas is ... (in terms of M, P, R and T).

AM
 


Outrageous said:

Homework Statement


Derive the density of an ideal gas when it is allowed to expand as a function of temperature when pressure is kept constant/

The Attempt at a Solution


density= PM/(RT) , where M is the molecular weight
or ∂ρ/∂T =M/(RT)
or ρ(V,P),then keep P constant, ∂ρ/∂V =∂<PM/(RT)>

actually i am not sure what the question asking about . Thank you

So the question want density in terms of P M R T? Then why does the question say when it expand?
 


Outrageous said:
So the question want density in terms of P M R T? Then why does the question say when it expand?
You should ask the person who drafted the question...it was probably asked this way to just give it some context. What the question is asking is the relationship between T and m/V with constant P. Whether it is expanding or being compressed at constant P makes no difference to the relationship.

AM
 


Andrew Mason said:
Whether it is expanding or being compressed at constant P makes no difference to the relationship.

AM

Thank you.
 

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