Derive x/(3x-1) using first principles

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The discussion revolves around deriving the function x/(3x-1) using first principles, focusing on the application of limits and algebraic manipulation to find the derivative.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants share their attempts at applying the first principles formula, with some expressing confusion over obtaining the expected two separate terms in the derivative. Questions arise regarding the algebraic steps taken, particularly in combining fractions and simplifying expressions.

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There is ongoing exploration of different approaches to the problem, with participants providing insights into their methods and questioning each other's steps. Some guidance is offered regarding the use of the chain rule, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach.

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Participants note challenges in their calculations, particularly in achieving the expected form of the derivative. There is mention of potential algebraic errors and the need for clarification on the application of first principles.

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Ok, I am really stuck on this one. I tried using the first principles formula and everything, but I don't get two separate terms like I am supposed to in the actual derivative. I always end up with -1/(3x-1)^2 when I try. Can someone please help me out?
 
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Ok, I am really stuck on this one. I tried using the first principles formula and everything, but I don't get two separate terms like I am supposed to in the actual derivative. I always end up with -1/(3x-1)^2 when I try. Can someone please help me out?

Show us what you've done. It should start off something like this:
\lim_{h \to 0}\frac{\frac{x + h}{3(x + h) - 1} - \frac{x}{3x - 1}}{h}
 
I guess it is odd to end up with the right answer.
 
Well, Mark44, I have that in the beginning to. I then multiply denominators to get a common one, and I end up with something like:

{ [ (x+h)(3x-1) - x(3x + 3h -1) ] / [ (3x+3h-1)(3x-1) ] } / h

{ ( [3x^2 - x + 3hx - h] - [3x^2 + 3hx -x] ) / [ (3x+3h-1)(3x-1) ] } / h

My problem is that everything cancels out except for h, and that leaves me with only one term, which I know is incorrect. What am I doing wrong here?
 
If you write this as x*(3x-1)-1 and do the chain rule you get (3x-1)-1-x*(3x-1)-2*3 which if you put (3x-1)-2 in both denominators gives you (3x-1)/(3x-1)2-(3x)/(3x-1)2 and the 3x cancels out which gives what you got so you got the right answer.
 

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