Deriving Acceleration from Potential Energy?

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The discussion revolves around deriving acceleration components from a given potential energy function, V(x,y,z) = α·x + β·y² + γ·z³. The user seeks to find the velocity at the point (1,1,1) using the conservation of energy formula, v² = v₀² - (2/m)·(α + β + γ)². The acceleration components are determined by calculating the force from the negative gradient of the potential energy, F = -∇V, and then dividing by mass (m) to find ax, ay, and az. The final expression for az is confirmed as az = -(3γ/m)·z², which is deemed sufficient for further analysis.

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I have a known potential energy, V, expression:

V(x,y,z) = α·x + β·y2 + γ·z3

I'm given: @(0,0,0), v = v0 and then asked to find v at (1,1,1).

I can determine v from Conservation of Energy:

v2 = v02 - (2/m)·(α + β + γ)2

In general, what is the expression for the accelerations ax, ay, az?

Do I find F from -∇V?

If so, what's next (as far as finding the acceleration's x, y and z-components)?

Thanks!
 
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1.Why have you squared the potential energy term??

2. Yes, and divide F by m to find the accelerations.
 
cj said:
I have a known potential energy, V, expression:

V(x,y,z) = α·x + β·y2 + γ·z3

I'm given: @(0,0,0), v = v0 and then asked to find v at (1,1,1).

I can determine v from Conservation of Energy:

v2 = v02 - (2/m)·(α + β + γ)2

In general, what is the expression for the accelerations ax, ay, az?

Do I find F from -∇V?

If so, what's next (as far as finding the acceleration's x, y and z-components)?

Thanks!

arildno sort of told you how to start it off. You should have F (and a) from the gradient of V. However, you will notice that "a" has a dependence on x, y, and z. If a is a function of t, then it is trivial to find v. But you don't have that here.

So what you need to do to find v is to use some calculus gymnastics by invoking the chain rule, i.e.

a = dv/dt = (dv_x/dx * dx/dt)i^ + (dv_y/dy * dy/dt)j^ + (dv_z/dz * dz/dt)k^

It is easier to solve this component by component, so for the x-component, you have

a_x = dv_x/dx * v_x (since dx/dt = v_x)

Thus, a_x dx = v_x dv_x

I think you should be able to handle the baby integral here using the initial conditions given. Do the same thing for the other 2 components.

Zz.
 
Thanks a lot Zz.

When solving, for example, az, I arrive at:

az = -(3γ/m)·z2

In general, is this a sufficient expression for az,
or should it be reduced or otherwise expressed differently?

ZapperZ said:
arildno sort of told you how to start it off. You should have F (and a) from the gradient of V. However, you will notice that "a" has a dependence on x, y, and z. If a is a function of t, then it is trivial to find v. But you don't have that here.

So what you need to do to find v is to use some calculus gymnastics by invoking the chain rule, i.e.

a = dv/dt = (dv_x/dx * dx/dt)i^ + (dv_y/dy * dy/dt)j^ + (dv_z/dz * dz/dt)k^

It is easier to solve this component by component, so for the x-component, you have

a_x = dv_x/dx * v_x (since dx/dt = v_x)

Thus, a_x dx = v_x dv_x

I think you should be able to handle the baby integral here using the initial conditions given. Do the same thing for the other 2 components.

Zz.
 
cj said:
Thanks a lot Zz.

When solving, for example, az, I arrive at:

az = -(3γ/m)·z2

In general, is this a sufficient expression for az,
or should it be reduced or otherwise expressed differently?

ASSUMING you did the gradient correctly, that should be a sufficient expression for the a_z to play with.

Zz.
 

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