Deriving displacement, velocity and acceleration projecticle motion

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The discussion revolves around deriving the equations for displacement, velocity, and acceleration of an object projected into the air, considering air resistance proportional to the instantaneous velocity. Participants explore the mathematical formulation of the problem, including differential equations and integration techniques.

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  • One participant presents the differential equation m dv/dt = -mg - kv and attempts to separate variables for integration.
  • Another participant questions the integration method used, seeking clarification on how the integration is performed with respect to time.
  • Several participants provide their own formulations and steps for integrating the equation, including expressions for velocity and displacement.
  • There are discussions about the correct notation and formatting for mathematical expressions, with some participants expressing difficulty in displaying equations properly.
  • One participant attempts to derive the displacement equation from the velocity function but does not reach a consensus on the final form.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the integration process and the formulation of the equations. There is no consensus on the final forms of the displacement, velocity, and acceleration equations, as participants present different approaches and interpretations.

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Some participants indicate confusion over the integration steps and the use of differential equations, highlighting a lack of clarity in their lecture notes. The discussion includes multiple attempts to clarify and refine the mathematical expressions without resolving the overall problem.

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1. An object of mass, M, is projected into the air with an initial vertical component of velocity, Vo. If the air resistance is proportional to the instantaneous velocity, with the constant of proportionality being, K, derive the equations for the displacement, velocity and acceleration as functions of time.

appologies for the way this is wrote if anyone has a better way of notating this it would be much appreciated.


my work
m dv/dt=(-mg-kv)

so first I got my V's on one side and my T's on the other

mdv/(mg+kv)=-dt then added the integral sign to this equation and integrated it too get

m/k ln(mg+kv)=-t+c

next I tidied it up

mg+kv=e^-((k/m)*t)+c that goop in the middle is meant to be exp to the power of what's in the brackets

mg+kv=ce^-((k/m)*t) movin the c for more tidiness

now I tried to get V on its own

V=ce^-((k/m)*t)-mg/k

sub in t=0 and V=Vo

Vo=C-mg/k therefore c is

C=Vo + mg/k

subbing back into my previous I got

v=(Vo + mg/k)e^-((k/m)*t)-mg/k that is my velocity part right

thats pretty much it for me any help would be appreciated for displacement and acceleration[/b]
 
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TheYoungFella said:
1. An object of mass, M, is projected into the air with an initial vertical component of velocity, Vo. If the air resistance is proportional to the instantaneous velocity, with the constant of proportionality being, K, derive the equations for the displacement, velocity and acceleration as functions of time.

appologies for the way this is wrote if anyone has a better way of notating this it would be much appreciated.


my work
m dv/dt=(-mg-kv)

so first I got my V's on one side and my T's on the other

mdv/(mg+kv)=-dt then added the integral sign to this equation and integrated it too get

m/k ln(mg+kv)=-t+c

next I tidied it up

mg+kv=e^-((k/m)*t)+c that goop in the middle is meant to be exp to the power of what's in the brackets

mg+kv=ce^-((k/m)*t) movin the c for more tidiness

now I tried to get V on its own

V=ce^-((k/m)*t)-mg/k

sub in t=0 and V=Vo

Vo=C-mg/k therefore c is

C=Vo + mg/k

subbing back into my previous I got

v=(Vo + mg/k)e^-((k/m)*t)-mg/k that is my velocity part right

thats pretty much it for me any help would be appreciated for displacement and acceleration[/b]

I'm not tracking this part:

mdv/(mg+kv)=-dt then added the integral sign to this equation and integrated it too get

m/k ln(mg+kv)=-t+c

Integrated with respect to what? You have a differential equation... what method are you trying to use to solve this DiffEq?
 
Sorry I just took that part from my notes I just have first

mdv/(mg+kv)=-dt

then adding the intergration symbol

integrate mdv/(mg+kv)= integrate -dt

So I am quessing it's with respect to time as its to be as a function of time I really have only a vague idea what's going on here.

I believe its a separable equation yes no
 
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TheYoungFella said:
Sorry I just took that part from my notes I just have first

mdv/(mg+kv)=-dt

then adding the intergration symbol

integrate mdv/(mg+kv)= integrate -dt

So I am quessing it's with respect to time as its to be as a function of time I really have only a vague idea what's going on here.

Ah, confusing lecture notes, eh? Okay, writing your original post's first equation in the traditional form for inhomogeneous differential equations:

m\frac{dv(t)}{dt} + kv(t) + mg = 0

You can then solve it using the traditional techniques discussed here:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Math/deinhom.html

Hope that helps.
 
\frac{mdv}{mg+kv}=-dt[\tex]<br /> <br /> \int\frac{mdv}{mg+kv}=\int-dt[\tex]&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; \frac{m}{k}\ln{mg+kv}=-t+c[\tex]&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br /&amp;gt; mg+kv=\exp^\frac{-k}{m}t+c[\tex]&amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;gt; &amp;amp;lt;br /&amp;amp;gt; ah I can&amp;amp;amp;#039;t for the life od me figure this fancy way of displaying the functions like you would on paper so I will gracefully withdraw.
 
TheYoungFella said:
ah I can't for the life od me figure this fancy way of displaying the functions like you would on paper so I will gracefully withdraw.

Use a forward slash in the [noparse][/tex][/noparse] tag:

\frac{mdv}{mg+kv}=-dt

\int\frac{mdv}{mg+kv}=\int-dt

\frac{m}{k}\ln{mg+kv}=-t+c

mg+kv=\exp^\frac{-k}{m}t+c
 
Redbelly98 said:
Use a forward slash in the [noparse][/tex][/noparse] tag:

\frac{mdv}{mg+kv}=-dt

\int\frac{mdv}{mg+kv}=\int-dt

\frac{m}{k}\ln{mg+kv}=-t+c

mg+kv=\exp^\frac{-k}{m}t+c

Thanks for the tip man
 
F=ma

F=ma=(-mg-kv)

a=\frac{dv}{dt}

\frac{mdv}{dt}=(-mg-kv)

\frac{mdv}{mg+kv}=-dt

\int\frac{mdv}{mg+kv}=\int-dt

\frac{m}{k}\ln{mg+kv}=-t+c

mg+kv=\exp^\frac{-k t}{m}+c

v=C\exp^\frac{-k t}{m}-\frac{mg}{k}

v=v0 t=0

v0=C\exp^\frac{-k}t{m}-\frac{mg}{k}

v0=C\exp^0-\frac{mg}{k}

c=v0-\frac{mg}{k}

V=(v0-\frac{mg}{k})\exp^\frac{-k (0)}{m}-\frac{mg}{k}
 
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F=ma

F=ma=(-mg-kv)

a=\frac{dv}{dt}

\frac{mdv}{dt}=(-mg-kv)

\frac{mdv}{mg+kv}=-dt

\int\frac{mdv}{mg+kv}=\int-dt

\frac{m}{k}\ln{mg+kv}=-t+c

mg+kv=\exp^\frac{-kt}{m}+c

v=C\exp^\frac{-kt}{m}-\frac{mg}{k}

v=v0
t=0

v0=C\exp^\frac{-k(0)}{m}-\frac{mg}{k}

v0=C\exp^0-\frac{mg}{k}

c=v0+\frac{mg}{k}

V=(v0+\frac{mg}{k})\exp^\frac{-k t}{m}-\frac{mg}{k} Velocity

displacement is s=\int vdt

s=\int(v0+\frac{mg}{k})\exp^\frac{-k t}{m}-\frac{mg}{k}dt

s=\frac{-m}{k}(v0+\frac{mg}{k})\exp^\frac{-k t}{m}-\frac{mg}{k}t-c

s=0
t=0

0=\frac{-m}{k}(v0+\frac{mg}{k})\exp^\frac{-k (0)}{m}-\frac{mg}{k}(0)+c

0=\frac{-m}{k}(v0+\frac{mg}{k})\exp^0-0+c

0=\frac{-m}{k}(v0+\frac{mg}{k})1+c

c=\frac{m}{k}(v0+\frac{mg}{k})

s=\frac{-m}{k}(v0+\frac{mg}{k})\exp^\frac{-k t}{m}-\frac{mg}{k}t+\frac{m}{k}(v0-\frac{mg}{k})

s=\frac{-m}{k}(v0+\frac{mg}{k})(1-\exp^\frac{-k t}{m}-\frac{mg}{k}t Displacement
 
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