Deriving equation for electrostatic force.

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The discussion revolves around deriving an equation for the electrostatic force acting on a test charge that is stationary and tied to a string. The problem involves understanding the balance of forces, specifically how the electrostatic force relates to gravitational force and tension in the string.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between the tension in the string, gravitational force, and electrostatic force. One participant attempts to derive an equation by manipulating the forces involved, while another suggests eliminating tension from the equations to simplify the process.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants exploring different approaches to derive the equation. One participant has presented a mathematical attempt, while another has offered a suggestion for simplification. There is no explicit consensus on the best method yet.

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The original poster expresses difficulty in connecting the forces to derive the desired equation, indicating potential gaps in understanding or assumptions that may need clarification.

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Homework Statement


Basically I am given an image showing a test charge tied to a string where there is the ball is stationary. I need to use the fact that there is no net force on the ball to derive an equation for the electrostatic force in terms of g, the angle, and the mass of the ball. Unfortunately I am stuck. :(


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The Attempt at a Solution



Well I know that the vertical portion of F_{T} is equal in magnitude to mg, and the horizontal portion of F_{T} is equal in magnitude to the electromagnetic force. But I don't see how to tie it together to derive an equation. :redface:
 
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How about trying to eliminate F_T from the equations.
 
Ok sure let me try ;-).

If I am speaking about magnitudes only,

F_{T}^{2}=F_{g}^{2}+F_{e}^{2}

Or

F_{e}^{2}=F_{g}^{2}-F_{T}^{2}

But F_{T}=\frac{F_{E}}{Sin\Theta}

So

\frac{F_{e}^{2}}{(Sin\Theta)^{2}}=F_{e}^{2}+F_{g}^{2}

F_{e}^{2}=F_{e}^{2}(Sin\Theta)^{2}+F_{g}^{2}(Sin\Theta)^{2}

moving the fe^2(sin(theta))^2 to the left side then factoring out 1-sin(theta)^2 from the left side and converting it to cos(theta)^2 I get:

F_{e}=\sqrt{(tan\Theta)^{2}m^{2}g^{2}}

Does it look right?
 
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Yes that's right. But a simpler way, actually the simplest, would have been to divide the expression for F_e by that of F_g.
 

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