Deriving the Angular Momentum of a Particle: Proof of Differentiation

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around deriving the angular momentum of a particle, specifically the relationship between angular momentum and its time derivative. The original poster presents a formula for angular momentum and seeks to show a specific differentiation result.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of differentiation rules, particularly the product rule in the context of cross products. There are questions regarding the correctness of the original poster's definition of angular momentum and suggestions to review relevant mathematical concepts.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with some participants providing guidance on differentiation techniques and encouraging the original poster to explore foundational concepts. There is recognition of potential misunderstandings in the original poster's approach, but no consensus has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the original poster's definition of angular momentum may differ from standard definitions, raising questions about assumptions in the problem setup. There is also mention of the original poster's uncertainty regarding differentiation and integration, which may impact their progress.

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Homework Statement


Angular momentum of a particle is: L = (dr/dt) x mr

Show that (dL/dt) = (d2r/dt2) x mr


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The Attempt at a Solution



My atempt is that I tried writing it in the form y = mx + c but I don't think that would be relevant.

Next I tried straight forward rule application derivision (it was wrong to try that)

Basically, my knowledge on differentiation isn't up to par and so far I haven't tried integrating it but I seriously doubt it'd lead to the answer and I don't know how to apply an intergral of (dL/dt) to the mr term.




Thanks in advance
I've also considered writing r = irx + iry + irz but again, no idea how to apply it in equation.
 
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Do you know the product rule of differentiation? You can apply it to a cross product too. For example, would you be able to do this:

$$\frac{d}{dt}(\vec{A}\times\vec{B})$$

?
 
solarei said:

Homework Statement


Angular momentum of a particle is: L = (dr/dt) x mr
Are you sure this is correct? Angular momentum is usually defined as ##\vec{L} = \vec{r}\times\vec{p}##, where ##\vec{p}=m\vec{v}## is the momentum. It differs from your definition by a sign.

Show that (dL/dt) = (d2r/dt2) x mr


Homework Equations


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The Attempt at a Solution



My atempt is that I tried writing it in the form y = mx + c but I don't think that would be relevant.
Tried writing what? What's "it" supposed to be?

Next I tried straight forward rule application derivision (it was wrong to try that)
What rule? What's "derivision"? I'd guess you mean differentiation, but you used the word differentiation correctly below so perhaps not.

Basically, my knowledge on differentiation isn't up to par
Good, you identified a problem. Now you need to do something to fill the gap in your knowledge. Did you check your book for a similar example? Perhaps there's an appendix that covers or reviews some math. You could try googling "differentiating a cross product".

and so far I haven't tried integrating it but I seriously doubt it'd lead to the answer and I don't know how to apply an intergral of (dL/dt) to the mr term.
Yeah, you're trying to calculate a derivative, so integrating likely isn't going to help.

Thanks in advance
I've also considered writing r = irx + iry + irz but again, no idea how to apply it in equation.
 
Actually, going over some notes, I can see where errors were made, sorry about that.
 

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