Deriving the formula for double slit diffraction as in Young from Fraunhofer

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The discussion revolves around deriving the formula for the diffraction pattern of a double slit, as observed in the Young experiment, from the Fraunhofer diffraction formula. The original poster presents the equations involved and expresses confusion regarding the derivation process, particularly in relating the parameters of the two formulas.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to connect the cosine terms in both equations and questions the handling of the sine terms. Some participants discuss the implications of a typo in the definitions of the parameters and explore the limit of the slit width approaching zero to simplify the equations.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, clarifying definitions and exploring the implications of the slit width on the diffraction pattern. There is recognition of a missing link regarding the necessity to consider the limit of the slit width to derive the Young formula from the Fraunhofer formula.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted confusion regarding the requirement to take the limit of the slit width going to zero, which is essential for recovering the Young diffraction pattern. The original poster expresses uncertainty about this concept, indicating a potential gap in prior learning.

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I apologize for the blurriness in my title, I couldn't find anything better to fit within the length limit. The problem I'm stuck with, paraphrased, is to derive the formula for the diffraction pattern of a double slit, as found in the Young experiment, from the Fraunhofer formula for the same pattern. That is, you start with

<br /> I = 4 I_0 \frac{(\sin{\beta})^2}{\beta^2} (\cos{\alpha})^2<br />

with

<br /> \alpha = \frac{k a}{2} \sin{\theta}; \beta = \frac{k a}{2} \sin{\theta}<br />

where a and b are the distance between the slits and the width of the slits, respectively, and \theta is the angle to the normal of the plane of the slits, and you have to prove that is identical to

<br /> I = 4 I_0 (\cos{\frac{y a \pi}{s \lambda}})^2<br />

where y is the distance from the point on the screen you're looking at to the center between the slits, projected onto the screen, and s is the distance from the slits to the screen.

I hope that makes sense. I'm trying to be clear, but it's not so easy without images. Perhaps it would be best to hope these are the equations generally used for these situations.

Homework Equations



The relevant equation are really in the problem itself.

The Attempt at a Solution



I can in part see that the cosines in both equations are the same, because

<br /> \alpha = \frac{k a}{2} \sin{\theta} = \frac{2 \pi a}{2 \lambda} \sin{\theta} = \frac{2 \pi a}{2 \lambda} \frac{y}{\sqrt{y^2 + s^2}},<br />

which, for small angles, approximates to

<br /> \alpha = \frac{\pi a y}{\lambda s}.<br />

I'm guessing that's the way to handle the cosine. If it is, then that means that

\frac{(\sin{\beta})^2}{\beta^2} = 1.

I've tried filling in the expression for \beta from above, and I also tried writing it just as I wrote the expression for \alpha for the cosine, but it doesn't seem to get me anywhere. It makes me doubt, also, what I did with \alpha. Either I did that wrong, or I'm probably missing something small, but I'm stumped right now. Does anyone see the mistake I made or the direction in which I need to be pointed?
 
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NanakiXIII said:
<br /> \alpha = \frac{k a}{2} \sin{\theta}; \beta = \frac{k a}{2} \sin{\theta}<br />
You have a typo here. That second expression should have b instead of a.
I can in part see that the cosines in both equations are the same, because

<br /> \alpha = \frac{k a}{2} \sin{\theta} = \frac{2 \pi a}{2 \lambda} \sin{\theta} = \frac{2 \pi a}{2 \lambda} \frac{y}{\sqrt{y^2 + s^2}},<br />

which, for small angles, approximates to

<br /> \alpha = \frac{\pi a y}{\lambda s}.<br />
Looks OK.

I'm guessing that's the way to handle the cosine. If it is, then that means that

\frac{(\sin{\beta})^2}{\beta^2} = 1.
Right.
I've tried filling in the expression for \beta from above, and I also tried writing it just as I wrote the expression for \alpha for the cosine, but it doesn't seem to get me anywhere. It makes me doubt, also, what I did with \alpha. Either I did that wrong, or I'm probably missing something small, but I'm stumped right now. Does anyone see the mistake I made or the direction in which I need to be pointed?
Hint: What happens when the slit width goes to zero?
 
Yes, that's a typo, sorry. I seem to have misplaced my Edit button, though.

When the slit width goes to zero, \beta goes to zero and the Sinc function goes to one. Why would the slit width go to zero, though?
 
NanakiXIII said:
Why would the slit width go to zero, though?
In real life it doesn't (obviously). But to recover the Young diffraction pattern (which ignores single slit diffraction due to the width of the slits), one takes the limit of the Fraunhofer formula as slit width goes to zero. (Although your paraphrasing of the problem asks to show that the two formulas are identical--that doesn't make sense to me.)
 
Hmm, I see, I didn't know that. And indeed it wasn't clear that this was to be done from the question. If I am to translate the question more directly, it says

"Consider the Fraunhofer diffraction pattern for two slits with slit width b and distance a.

a) [Irrelevant]
b) The two-slit diffraction pattern, measured on a screen at distance s from the slits, is also described by the formula from the Young experiment:

[Formula from the Young experiment]

Derive this formula from the formula for the Fraunhofer diffraction pattern."

Apparently I was supposed to just know that you have to take the limit for b->0 if you want to get the Young formula, I just don't remember learning about that anywhere. Thanks a lot for pointing that out, that was the missing link.
 

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