Describing the circle of a uniform rod hit at one end

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The discussion revolves around the dynamics of a uniform rod that is struck by a ball at one end, focusing on the resulting motion, specifically the circular path described by the rod. Participants explore concepts related to linear and angular momentum, torque, and the geometry of the motion in a frictionless environment.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the transfer of linear and angular momentum to the rod upon impact, noting the relationship between torque, force, and the distance from the center of mass to the point of impact.
  • Another participant questions how to describe the circular motion of the rod, suggesting that the radius of the circle should exceed the length of the rod since it is not pinned at one end.
  • A different participant asserts that the center of the circle is at the center of mass of the rod, stating that the center of mass moves in a straight line when no external force is applied.
  • There is a challenge regarding the clarity of the initial question about the circle made by the rod, with one participant indicating a need for a more precise definition of the parameters involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the location of the center of the circle and the implications of the rod's motion. There is no consensus on how to calculate the radius or define the parameters of the circular motion.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the assumptions regarding the impact force's time-profile or the specific calculations needed to determine the radius and center of the circular motion.

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I have a uniform rod laying on a table. A ball comes in and hits the rod making it move backwards but also rotating. Assuming that we are in a frictionless environment, how do describe the circle made by the rod?
 
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Circle made by rod?

The ball will transfer linear and angular momentum to the rod. While we don't know the exact time-profile of the impact force, we know that torque = force * arm at any given moment. Arm, in this case, is the distance from rod's center of mass to the point of impact. That means that after collision rod's angular momentum = arm * linear momentum. Using moment of inertia for rod you should easily be able to find the ratio between rod's linear and angular velocities from that.
 
yes if the ball hit the bat and the bat rotated around in a circular motion. How would i describe that circle?
 
A circle only has one parameter - radius. You're not making a whole lot of sense.
 
I understand that but the radius should be longer than the length of the bat because the bat is not pinned at one end. Therefore the center of the circle isn't at the end of the bat. I guess I am asking where is the center of the circle and how would I calculate that new radius.
 
Center of the circle is at the center of mass. The center of mass of a body, when no external force is applied, can only move in a straight line. Everything else rotates around the center of mass.
 

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