Moment of inertia of a thin uniform rod

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The discussion revolves around the moment of inertia of a thin uniform rod, particularly focusing on how the concept of center of mass relates to moment of inertia when the rod is in motion. Participants explore the implications of rotational motion on the distribution of mass and the calculations of moment of inertia.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that when a uniform rod rotates about one end, its moment of inertia is ML²/3, implying a shift in the effective distance of mass concentration from L/2 to L/√3.
  • Another participant argues that the center of mass remains unchanged regardless of the rod's rotation, emphasizing that moment of inertia and center of mass are distinct concepts.
  • Further clarification is provided that while the moment of inertia can be modeled as a point mass at the end of a massless rod, the center of mass does not shift due to rotation.
  • One participant acknowledges the initial interpretation but notes that it overlooks the role of rotational inertia, leading to inconsistencies.
  • Another participant offers an alternative interpretation involving a point mass located at a distance of L, suggesting that both interpretations yield the same moment of inertia result.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between center of mass and moment of inertia, with no consensus reached on whether the effective distance of mass concentration changes during rotation.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the interpretation of center of mass and moment of inertia are not fully resolved, and the discussion highlights the complexity of relating these concepts in the context of rotational motion.

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I was thinking that if a uniform rod of mass M and length L remains static ,then it's centre of mass will be at L/2 from one end (e.g total mass assumed to be concentrated at L/2 )
But if this rod is moving with uniform angular velocity ω about an axis passing through it's one end and perpendicular to the rod ,it's moment of inertia is ML2/3 so we can think that the total mass is now rotating at a distance L/√3 from the rotating end.
Hence the total mass is now concentrated at a distance L/√3 from the rotating end as opposed to the static case for which the total mass is concentrated at L/2 from the same end.
Am I right??
 
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Apashanka said:
Hence the centre of mass shifts a little if the rod is rotating??
No. The moment of inertia is what it is regardless of whether or not the rod is rotating. And the centre of mass is what it is regardless of whether or not the rod is rotating.

It's true that the moment of inertia of a rod is the same as a point mass on the end of a massless rod. But the centre of mass is not the same.
 
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Ibix said:
No. The moment of inertia is what it is regardless of whether or not the rod is rotating. And the centre of mass is what it is regardless of whether or not the rod is rotating.It's true that the moment of inertia of a rod is the same as a point mass on the end of a massless rod. But the centre of mass is not the same.
Yes sir but for a uniform rod of mass M and length L,we can assume that the total mass is concentrated at the midpoint L/2(e.g from centre of mass concept).
Similarly if we calculate the moment of inertia of the same rod about an axis passing through it's one end and perpendicular to the rod the it comes out be ML2/3
So we can imagine that a mass is situated at a distance L/√3 from the axis we have taken for reference.
Hence total mass assumed to be concentrated at L/2 from centre for mass concept but from the moment of inertia concept it will produce the same effect if the total mass is situated at L/√3 ??
 
Apashanka said:
(e.g total mass assumed to be concentrated at L/2 )
This interpretation of centre of mass ignores the rotational inertia, so it's not surprising that it's inconsistent with moment of inertia interpretations.
 
Apashanka,
your interpretation is correct, but there is another version: the point mass m / 3, located at the distance of L. Both these interpretations yield the same result for the value of moment of inertia for this case
 
reterty said:
Apashanka,
your interpretation is correct, but there is another version: the point mass m / 3, located at the distance of L. Both these interpretations yield the same result for the value of moment of inertia for this case
Yes that is the case ,also to be taken
Thanks
 

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