Description of surface, vector calculus

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The discussion revolves around a surface parameterized by the vector function (v cos(u), v sin(u), 45 v cos(u)), with both u and v varying from 0 to 2π. Participants explore the geometric implications of this parameterization, particularly in relation to its representation in three-dimensional space.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the nature of the surface, questioning whether it represents a cylinder, elliptical paraboloid, cone, hyperboloid, or ellipsoid. There is an exploration of the relationship between the parameters and the resulting geometric shapes, particularly focusing on the projection of a circle onto a slanted plane.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the surface's characteristics, noting that for fixed v, the shape is a circle, and as v varies, it leads to an elliptical projection. The conversation reflects a productive exploration of the surface's properties, with participants considering various interpretations without reaching a definitive consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working within the constraints of the problem statement and are considering the implications of the surface's parameterization. There is an ongoing examination of the assumptions related to the shapes being discussed, particularly in relation to the slanted plane described by z = 45x.

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Homework Statement


Consider the surface parameterized by (v cos(u), v sin(u), 45 v cos(u)), where u and v both vary from 0 to 2∏.

Homework Equations


(v cos(u), v sin(u), 45 v cos(u))
I think this is supposed to be a vector function? As in r(u,v) = <v cos(u), v sin(u), 45 v cos(u)>.

The Attempt at a Solution


In the x-y plane, this is a circle. x = v cos(u) so z = 45x. This is a slanted plane? So I thought the surface would be an ellipse, since the coefficient of x is 45 and the circle would be very squashed. Does this seem to be part of a cylinder because the cross section of a cylinder, if the plane is slanted, would it be a portion of an elliptical paraboloid? Or could it be a portion of a cone or hyperboloid? One of the answer options is an ellipsoid, but I don't think that's right because when I graphed this on a computer, it showed a flat surface.

There are so many possibilities!
 
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Take v to be fixed, initially. Varying u should give you a curve, and yes, it's an ellipse. Describe the plane the ellipse lies in and where it is centred. Then imagine varying v over its given range.
 
ohlala191785 said:

Homework Statement


Consider the surface parameterized by (v cos(u), v sin(u), 45 v cos(u)), where u and v both vary from 0 to 2∏.


Homework Equations


(v cos(u), v sin(u), 45 v cos(u))
I think this is supposed to be a vector function? As in r(u,v) = <v cos(u), v sin(u), 45 v cos(u)>.

Yes, that's exactly what it is and how you describe a surface.

The Attempt at a Solution


In the x-y plane, this is a circle.

Yes, that is correct for fixed ##v##. Its equation is ##x^2+ y^2 = v^2##. But if you let ##v## vary from ##0## to ##2\pi## what do you get?

x = v cos(u) so z = 45x. This is a slanted plane?
Yes. And ##x## and ##z## must be on that plane, no matter what ##y## is.
So I thought the surface would be an ellipse, since the coefficient of x is 45 and the circle would be very squashed. Does this seem to be part of a cylinder because the cross section of a cylinder, if the plane is slanted, would it be a portion of an elliptical paraboloid? Or could it be a portion of a cone or hyperboloid? One of the answer options is an ellipsoid, but I don't think that's right because when I graphed this on a computer, it showed a flat surface.

There are so many possibilities!

There aren't that many possibilities. You know all the points on the surface must be on the plane ##z=45x## and your computer shows the surface is flat. Don't those agree? If you project the ##xy## "shadow" in the ##xy## plane up onto the slanted plane, what do you get?
 
So the description of the surface just an ellipse? If you project the circle onto the slanted plane, it should look like an ellipse.
 
ohlala191785 said:
So the description of the surface just an ellipse? If you project the circle onto the slanted plane, it should look like an ellipse.
I suppose you could describe it as an elliptical disc.
 
Oh OK.
Thank you for your help.
 

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