Find a unit vector for a particular vector

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The discussion revolves around finding two unit vectors in 2-space that form a 45-degree angle with the vector represented by 7i + 6j. Participants explore the concept of unit vectors and their relationship to angles and directions in vector space.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the initial thought that unit vectors must align with the specified vector's direction. There is consideration of using trigonometric functions to find unit vectors at a 45-degree angle. Some participants suggest finding perpendicular vectors to aid in determining the desired unit vectors.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of different methods to find the unit vectors, with hints provided regarding the use of perpendicular vectors. Some participants express uncertainty about their reasoning, while others confirm the correctness of the approaches taken. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being examined.

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Participants are navigating through the constraints of the problem, including the requirement to find unit vectors and the implications of angles in vector space. There is mention of potential misunderstandings regarding the simplification of answers in an online program.

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Homework Statement



Find two unit vectors in 2-space that make an angle of 45(deg) with 7i + 6j.

Homework Equations



Unit Vector = u = (1/||v||)*v

Dot Product = u . v = ||u|| ||v|| cos(theta)

The Attempt at a Solution



I've been thinking about a way to do this. I originally thought that unit vectors could only be in the direction of the vector specified, because direction was the only thing that mattered.

I was thinking, if I found the unit vector of 7i + 6j, and then I multiplied that by cos(45), and sin(45), it would give me two solutions of unit vectors 45 degrees from the direction of 7i + 6j.

I'm not sure if this thinking is correct.
 
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RyanTAsher said:

Homework Statement



Find two unit vectors in 2-space that make an angle of 45(deg) with 7i + 6j.

Homework Equations



Unit Vector = u = (1/||v||)*v

Dot Product = u . v = ||u|| ||v|| cos(theta)

The Attempt at a Solution



I've been thinking about a way to do this. I originally thought that unit vectors could only be in the direction of the vector specified, because direction was the only thing that mattered.

I was thinking, if I found the unit vector of 7i + 6j, and then I multiplied that by cos(45), and sin(45), it would give me two solutions of unit vectors 45 degrees from the direction of 7i + 6j.

I'm not sure if this thinking is correct.

Hint: First find two vectors perpendicular to 7i+6j. What direction do you get if you add two equal length perpendicular vectors?
 
LCKurtz said:
Hint: First find two vectors perpendicular to 7i+6j. What direction do you get if you add two equal length perpendicular vectors?

Ahhh, okay I was thinking you would find the unit vectors first for some reason.

So, we are just finding 2 vectors directed at 45 degrees from the original vector, and then finding the unit vectors along those directions.

Thank you.
 
LCKurtz said:
Hint: First find two vectors perpendicular to 7i+6j. What direction do you get if you add two equal length perpendicular vectors?

Sorry to bring this question back up, but I just wanted to confirm my answer, as my math question online program I think might be reading my answer wrong.

##\vec{v} = 7 \hat{i} + 6\hat{j}##

Let a vector 45 degrees from ##\vec{v}## be equal to ## \vec{w} = a\hat{i} + b\hat{j}##.

##cos(\theta) = \frac {\vec{v} \bullet \vec{w}} {||v|| ||w||}##

## \frac {\sqrt{2}} {2} = \frac {\langle 7, 6 \rangle \bullet \langle a, b \rangle} {\sqrt{85} \sqrt{a^{2} + b^{2}}} ##

## \frac {\sqrt{2}} {2} = \frac {7a + 6b} {\sqrt{85} \sqrt{a^{2} + b^{2}}} ##

## \sqrt{2} \sqrt{85} \sqrt{a^{2} + b^{2}} = 2(7a + 6b) ##

## (\sqrt{2} \sqrt{85} \sqrt{a^{2} + b^{2}})^{2} = (2(7a + 6b))^{2} ##

## (170)(a^{2} + b^{2}) = 4(7a + 6b)^{2} ##

Let a = 1.

## (170)(1 + b^{2}) = 4(7 + 6b)^{2} ##
## 170 + 170b^{2} = 4(49 + 84b + 36b^{2})##
## 170 + 170b^{2} = 196 + 336b + 144b^{2}##
## 26b^{2} - 336b - 26 = 0 ##

Quadratic equation gives:

## b = \frac {84 ± 85} {13} ##
## b = 13, b = - \frac {1} {13} ##

Therefore, the two vectors that are 45 degrees from v, are:

## w_1 = \langle 1, 13 \rangle ##
## w_2 = \langle 1, -\frac {1} {13} \rangle ##

The unit vectors are then:

## u_1 = \frac {\langle 1, 13 \rangle} {\sqrt{170}} ##
## u_2 = \frac {\langle 1, -\frac {1} {13} \rangle} {\sqrt{1 + \frac {1} {169}}} ##
 
Your answers are correct but I would expect your online software would expect you to simplify them, especially ##u_2##. You have certainly gone the long way around Robin Hood's barn to get it. Given the vector ##\langle 7,6\rangle##, isn't it obvious using the dot product that ##\langle -6,7\rangle## and its negative are perpendicular to it? Then you could have used my original hint. Still, you do have a solution and your answers are correct.
 
RyanTAsher said:
##\vec{v} = 7 \hat{i} + 6\hat{j}##

Let a vector 45 degrees from ##\vec{v}## be equal to ## \vec{w} = a\hat{i} + b\hat{j}##.

@LCKurtz ingenious suggestion was to find a vector that is of equal length and perpendicular to the original one, and then add the two vectors. The resultant vector halves the angle between ##\vec a## and ##\vec b##. See figure.
You get the blue vector if rotating ##\vec a = 7\vec i + 6 \vec j ## by 90°. ##\vec b = -6\vec i + 7 \vec j##. Adding them: ##\vec a + \vec b = 1\vec i + 13 \vec j##. Now you have to divide it by the norm. Do the same with the other perpendicular vector, negative of ##\vec b ##.

grade45.jpg
 
LCKurtz said:
Your answers are correct but I would expect your online software would expect you to simplify them, especially ##u_2##. You have certainly gone the long way around Robin Hood's barn to get it. Given the vector ##\langle 7,6\rangle##, isn't it obvious using the dot product that ##\langle -6,7\rangle## and its negative are perpendicular to it? Then you could have used my original hint. Still, you do have a solution and your answers are correct.

ehild said:
@LCKurtz ingenious suggestion was to find a vector that is of equal length and perpendicular to the original one, and then add the two vectors. The resultant vector halves the angle between ##\vec a## and ##\vec b##. See figure.
You get the blue vector if rotating ##\vec a = 7\vec i + 6 \vec j ## by 90°. ##\vec b = -6\vec i + 7 \vec j##. Adding them: ##\vec a + \vec b = 1\vec i + 13 \vec j##. Now you have to divide it by the norm. Do the same with the other perpendicular vector, negative of ##\vec b ##.

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Ohhhh, thank you for that picture. I understand now. I knew that the 45 degree vector would be half the 90 degree, but I wasn't too sure on how to get it there. Thank you for the picture.
 

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