Designing a Current Mirror with LEDs - Help Needed

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around designing a current mirror circuit intended to drive five LEDs, addressing issues with the current not being mirrored as expected. Participants explore circuit design considerations, including the orientation of components and the necessity of additional resistors.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their attempt to create a current mirror using transistors and expresses confusion over low current readings in their circuit simulation.
  • Another participant points out that the LEDs are incorrectly oriented, which could be causing the issue with current flow.
  • A different participant suggests that adding emitter resistors could improve the accuracy of the current mirror, although they note that this may not be necessary for simply driving LEDs.
  • One participant expresses relief upon realizing the issue was due to the incorrect orientation of the LEDs.
  • Another participant comments on the complexity of the circuit, suggesting that using individual resistors for each LED might be a simpler solution unless there is a need for varying the current across all LEDs simultaneously.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the issue of LED orientation affecting current flow, but there are differing opinions on the complexity of the circuit design and the necessity of emitter resistors.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the design requirements for the current mirror and the specific application of the LEDs, as well as the implications of using resistors versus a current mirror configuration.

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Hi, I am working on a design and I am trying to re-work the horrible schematics left by a previous mechanical engineer, I am trying to make a current mirror that will mirror a reference current across 5 LEDs, AFAIK from my little knowledge in Electrical engineering (I am a Mechanical Engineer) this can be done using Transistors in the following way:

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/4972/waeg.PNG

I am using Multisim to do this circuit and the probes do not show the current being "mirrored" into the other lines, AFAIK they should all be 20 mA, but they are dropping down to 5 pA which doesn't turn on the LED.

Can anyone help me please?

Thank you!
 
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LED1-5 are drawn upside-down -- their cathodes should be pointing down instead of up. :smile:
 
BTW, the mirrors will be more accurate if you add emitter resistors below the transistors, but for just driving LEDs, you probably don't need that level of matching accuracy.
 
OMG i can't believe it was only that =,=
silly diodes!

Anyways thank you very much!
 
berkman has explained that little current flows because the LEDs are reverse biased.

As drawn the 20mA reference current is being wasted because it does not flow through a LED.

This circuit seems a little complex to light 5 identical LEDs. The heat generated in the collectors of the transistors might as well be dissipated in resistors. Unless you need to vary the current through all 5 LEDs together it would simpler to use 5 LEDs with 5 series resistors.
 

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