Designing Bolts for 500kg Machine Component in Trains

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the design of bolts for securing a 500 kg (later corrected to 1000 kg) machine component in a train, focusing on the forces acting on the bolts under various conditions, including acceleration and deceleration. Participants explore the implications of these forces for bolt size and quantity, considering both static and dynamic loads.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the weight of the load, noting a discrepancy between 500 kg and 1000 kg, which prompts further clarification.
  • Another participant suggests that the deceleration during emergency braking may exceed the acceleration, indicating a need to consider this in the design.
  • A participant expresses concern about the lack of professional mechanical engineers on the project, highlighting potential issues like vibration and shock that may affect bolt design.
  • After acknowledging the error regarding the load, a participant confirms that the load should be considered as 1000 kg and seeks further elaboration on the design method.
  • One participant proposes using the acceleration of the train and the mass of the load to calculate a fictitious force acting on the load, suggesting that this force should be applied at the center of gravity to determine the tensions the bolts must withstand.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the correct load value, with some asserting 500 kg and others confirming 1000 kg. There is no consensus on the design approach, as various factors such as acceleration, deceleration, and external forces are discussed without resolution.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of considering dynamic loads, vibration, and shock in the design process, but these aspects remain unresolved in terms of specific calculations or methodologies.

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Engineers and designers involved in mechanical and structural engineering, particularly in the context of transportation and machinery design, may find this discussion relevant.

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We are working on a machine component structure that weighs around 500 kg.This component is fixed inside the train on top roof using 6 bolts..Now the part is we need to design bolt size and no of bolts under worst condition..The acceleration of train may be taken as 0.3g,where g-accn due to gravity..

what kind of forces act on this bolt and how to design?
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You description says the load is 500 kg, but your diagram says the load is 1000 kg. Which is it?

Since the train is accelerating, and presumably the c.g. of the load is located somewhere below the mounting plate attached to the roof, you'll need to expand your diagram and draw a free body diagram which includes the load and the mounting plate and then determine the static + dynamic loads when the train is accelerating.
 
You may want to find deceleration during emergency breaking, I'd guess it's more than acceleration under power.
 
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lingesh said:
We are working on a machine component structure that weighs around 500 kg.This component is fixed inside the train on top roof using 6 bolts..Now the part is we need to design bolt size and no of bolts under worst condition..The acceleration of train may be taken as 0.3g,where g-accn due to gravity..

what kind of forces act on this bolt and how to design?View attachment 85744 View attachment 85744

You don't have any professional Mechanical Engineers working on this project who can figure this out? That's kind of scary, IMO. You don't even mention issues like vibration and shock (I presume this location qualifies for the "sprung truck" shock/vibe spec?)
 
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billy_joule said:
You may want to find deceleration during emergency breaking, I'd guess it's more than acceleration under power.
Hi,
very valid point..The value of deceleration is 0.3g.i mentioned it wrongly..And load consider it as 1000 kg...
 
SteamKing said:
You description says the load is 500 kg, but your diagram says the load is 1000 kg. Which is it?

Since the train is accelerating, and presumably the c.g. of the load is located somewhere below the mounting plate attached to the roof, you'll need to expand your diagram and draw a free body diagram which includes the load and the mounting plate and then determine the static + dynamic loads when the train is accelerating.
Hi SteamKing,
I regret that mistake...Load is 1000 kg..If possible can you elaborate the method...

Thanks
 
lingesh said:
Hi SteamKing,
I regret that mistake...Load is 1000 kg..If possible can you elaborate the method...

Thanks
By using the acceleration of the train and the mass of the load, you can create a "fictitious" force acting on the load, F = ma. Apply this load at the center of gravity of the object, and then use statics to figure out what tensions the bolts must hold.
 

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