Designing MFB Bandpass Filters: Frequency, Bandwidth, and Gain Formula Explained

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The discussion revolves around the design of Multiple Feedback (MFB) bandpass filters, focusing on the calculations related to frequency, bandwidth, and gain. Participants explore the relationships between these parameters and seek clarification on the gain calculation for a specific filter topology.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant is attempting to design MFB filters with specified frequency, bandwidth, and gain, and is unsure how to manipulate gain in their design.
  • Another participant points out potential discrepancies in the schematic, suggesting that the resistor values should be the same, leading to a gain of 1 at the center frequency.
  • A third participant questions the labeling of components in the schematic and references a formula for MFB frequency that involves three resistor values, proposing a gain formula of Gain = R3/(2*R1).
  • A later reply suggests that at the center frequency, the capacitors may have negligible effect, likening the circuit to an inverting amplifier and inquiring about the role of a specific resistor (R2).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the schematic details and gain calculations, with no consensus reached on the correct approach or formula for gain in the MFB filter design.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions about the schematic's accuracy, particularly regarding component labeling and resistor values, which may affect the gain calculations. The discussion also reflects uncertainty about the applicability of formulas derived from different designs.

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Individuals interested in electronic filter design, particularly those working with Multiple Feedback bandpass filters and seeking to understand gain calculations and schematic interpretations.

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I am attempting to come up with a systematic way to design Multiple Feedback bandpass filters with certain specifications.

• Frequency is some given number
• Bandwidth varies with Frequency by
f0*2^13/12
• The Q should therefore be .4719
• The gain should be 1

I am at an understanding of how to manipulate Frequency and Q (BW follows), but I am having trouble finding information on how to manipulate gain. I am using the following topology:

http://sound.westhost.com/articles/af-f6.gif

With that background, which may prove irrelevant to my actual question, how is the gain for this MFB calculated? Rod Elliott, the author of the above picture, claims that that happens to be a unity gain filter, but does not explain why this is so.

I read a TI note that gave a gain formula for an MFB, but it was a slightly different design. The formula was a simple resistor ratio. Can anyone figure out the gain for this one?

I may have more questions after I sleep on it. Thanks in advance everyone.
 
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Your schematic has two C2's and both are 10nF. There are also two R2's, but one is 40k and the other is 80k. I'm thinking that there is a mistake, that they should both have the same value, just like the two caps. In that case, the gain at the center frequency will just be R2/R2 = 1.
 
You are right, there is something strange about that schematic. I think the resistor to ground should be labelled an R3, as the ubiquitous formula for MFB frequency involves 3 resistor values.

Here is another schematic that shows correct lettering.

bandpass.gif


Rod Elliott, god bless his soul, also provides an MFB component calculator available for download. You put in the components and it tells you Frequency, Gain, and Q, or vice versa. So what I've done is reverse-engineered some of the results from that calculator as it relates to Gain. R1 and R3 (referencing the above) are the only two that affect gain.

Looking at the results, it quickly became clear that the ratio is Gain = R3/(2*R1)

Does that seem correct? It is possible that the calculator is wrong, I'm hoping to be able to analyze this thing for myself and be able to infer the gain.
 
Sorry for the double post, but I think I see it. When the input signal is at F0, the capacitors "disappear," and you are left with something more like this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/Op-Amp_Inverting_Amplifier.svg

Could anyone shed some light on what effect the R2 from above might have?
 

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