Determinant of a 3x3 matrix via row reduction

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the determinant of a 3x3 matrix, specifically showing that it equals (a-b)(b-c)(c-a). Participants are exploring the implications of row reduction techniques on the determinant calculation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are questioning the validity of certain row operations and their effects on the determinant. There are attempts to clarify the rules of row operations and their impact on the determinant's value. Some participants suggest alternative methods to evaluate the determinant without row operations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing hints and questioning assumptions about row operations. There is a mix of suggestions regarding the approach to take, but no consensus has been reached on a specific method to solve the problem.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express confusion over the application of row operations and their effects on the determinant, indicating a need for clarification on the rules governing these operations. There is also mention of potential simplifications that could be made to the determinant expression.

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Homework Statement


Show that the determinant of
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is (a-b)(b-c)(c-a)

Homework Equations


Row reduction, determinants

The Attempt at a Solution


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Apparently I got a (a-b)^2 instead of (a-b) when I multiplied them up. It would be grateful if someone can point me out where the mistakes are.
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The problem is this. You seem to believe that when you perform a row operation: ##(a-c)R_2 - (a-b)R_3 \rightarrow R3##, the determinant remains unchanged.

To show you an easy example that this is not true:

## A = \begin{pmatrix}
1 & 2 \\
2 & 3
\end{pmatrix}##

It's obvious that this matrix has a determinant equal to ##-1##

Now perform: ##2R_1 + 3R_2 \rightarrow R_2##

Then, we obtain a new matrix A':

## A' = \begin{pmatrix}
1 & 2 \\
8 & 13
\end{pmatrix}##

And this matrix has a determinant equal to ##-3##
 
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So any ideas to work it out then?
 
sooyong94 said:
So any ideas to work it out then?

You were on the right track. I will give you this hint:

When you perform a row (kolom) operation:

##R_a + k*R_b \rightarrow R_a##, the determinant remains unchanged.
##l*R_a + R_b \rightarrow R _a##, the determinant is multiplied by ##l##.
##l*R_a + k*R_b \rightarrow R_a##, the determinant is multiplied by ##l##.

Where ##R_a## and ##R_b## are the a'th and the b'th row and ##k,l \in \mathbb{R}##

Now, keep in mind that you had something of the form ##l*R_a + k*R_b \rightarrow R_a##, so your determinant is multiplied with ##-(a-b)##. To make sure that the equality will still hold, multiply the determinant with the factor ##\frac{-1}{a-b}##.
 
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sooyong94 said:
So any ideas to work it out then?

Why bother with row operations? Why not evaluate the determinant as it is and simplify?
 
PeroK said:
Why bother with row operations? Why not evaluate the determinant as it is and simplify?

I supppose that's the exercise since it's in the title...
 
sooyong94 said:
mistakes are.
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If you got this far, why not just take out the factors of ##(a-b)## and ##(c-a)## and you're nearly finished.
 

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