Determinant of a 3x3 matrix via row reduction

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The discussion focuses on finding the determinant of a 3x3 matrix and the challenges encountered during row reduction. A user initially calculated the determinant incorrectly as (a-b)² instead of the expected (a-b)(b-c)(c-a), leading to confusion about the effects of row operations on the determinant. It is clarified that certain row operations can change the determinant, specifically when a row is multiplied, which requires adjusting the determinant accordingly. Participants suggest evaluating the determinant directly rather than relying solely on row operations, emphasizing the importance of simplifying the matrix to extract factors. The conversation highlights the intricacies of determinant calculations and the potential pitfalls of row reduction methods.
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Homework Statement


Show that the determinant of
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is (a-b)(b-c)(c-a)

Homework Equations


Row reduction, determinants

The Attempt at a Solution


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Apparently I got a (a-b)^2 instead of (a-b) when I multiplied them up. It would be grateful if someone can point me out where the mistakes are.
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The problem is this. You seem to believe that when you perform a row operation: ##(a-c)R_2 - (a-b)R_3 \rightarrow R3##, the determinant remains unchanged.

To show you an easy example that this is not true:

## A = \begin{pmatrix}
1 & 2 \\
2 & 3
\end{pmatrix}##

It's obvious that this matrix has a determinant equal to ##-1##

Now perform: ##2R_1 + 3R_2 \rightarrow R_2##

Then, we obtain a new matrix A':

## A' = \begin{pmatrix}
1 & 2 \\
8 & 13
\end{pmatrix}##

And this matrix has a determinant equal to ##-3##
 
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So any ideas to work it out then?
 
sooyong94 said:
So any ideas to work it out then?

You were on the right track. I will give you this hint:

When you perform a row (kolom) operation:

##R_a + k*R_b \rightarrow R_a##, the determinant remains unchanged.
##l*R_a + R_b \rightarrow R _a##, the determinant is multiplied by ##l##.
##l*R_a + k*R_b \rightarrow R_a##, the determinant is multiplied by ##l##.

Where ##R_a## and ##R_b## are the a'th and the b'th row and ##k,l \in \mathbb{R}##

Now, keep in mind that you had something of the form ##l*R_a + k*R_b \rightarrow R_a##, so your determinant is multiplied with ##-(a-b)##. To make sure that the equality will still hold, multiply the determinant with the factor ##\frac{-1}{a-b}##.
 
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sooyong94 said:
So any ideas to work it out then?

Why bother with row operations? Why not evaluate the determinant as it is and simplify?
 
PeroK said:
Why bother with row operations? Why not evaluate the determinant as it is and simplify?

I supppose that's the exercise since it's in the title...
 
sooyong94 said:
mistakes are.
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If you got this far, why not just take out the factors of ##(a-b)## and ##(c-a)## and you're nearly finished.
 
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