Determine Io and Vo in the circuit

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The discussion revolves around determining the currents and voltages in a given electrical circuit, specifically focusing on the values of Io and Vo. Participants explore different methods of analysis, including node voltage and super mesh techniques, while addressing potential errors in their calculations.

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  • One participant proposes a method using node voltage analysis to derive equations for VA, Vo, and Io, arriving at values of VA = 16.6V, Vo = 12.4V, and Io = 8.3A.
  • Another participant suggests that the solution should instead use a super mesh approach, which yields different results: VA = 114V and Io = 36A.
  • Concerns are raised about a potential sign error in the equations, particularly regarding the right-hand side of the equation at Node Vo.
  • Participants discuss the importance of consistency in writing equations, with one participant acknowledging a tendency to switch forms while writing out the equations.
  • There is a reflection on the need for simplicity in problem-solving, with one participant noting that overcomplicating the approach can lead to errors.

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Participants express differing views on the methods used to analyze the circuit, with no consensus reached on the best approach or the correctness of the derived values.

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Participants mention discrepancies in their results and potential errors in their equations, indicating that assumptions made during the analysis may not be fully resolved.

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Homework Statement
Determine io and vo
Relevant Equations
Ohms law: V=I*R
I am calling the voltage at the node the 2ohm resistor VA
at Node A: ( VA - 54 ) / 3 + ( VA - Vo ) / 1 + (VA - 0) / 2 = 0
at Node Vo: (Vo - VA) / 1 - 2*io = (Vo - 54) / 2
io = VA/2
at Node A: Vo - VA)/1 - 2*(VA/2) = (Vo - 54)/2
Vo = 4*VA - 54
Node A: (VA - 54)/3 + VA - (4*VA - 54) + VA/2 = 0
VA = 16.6V
Vo = 12.4V
io = 8.3A
The solution does not use Node Voltage, instead using a super mesh on the bottom two loops and solving that way which is fine. But it produces a value of VA = 114V and io = 36A.
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icesalmon said:
Homework Statement:: Determine io and vo
Relevant Equations:: Ohms law: V=I*R

at Node Vo: (Vo - VA) / 1 - 2*io = (Vo - 54) / 2
This looks like a sign error in the RHS, and why did you use a different form of writing the sum of all currents out of a node is zero? It's best to stick with that form for each equation instead of trying to flip some of the currents, IMO.
 
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berkeman said:
This looks like a sign error in the RHS, and why did you use a different form of writing the sum of all currents out of a node is zero? It's best to stick with that form for each equation instead of trying to flip some of the currents, IMO.
Got it, good catch! Thanks! I'm not sure why I do that, my brain just flips between the two as I write the equations out. I wrote it as the sum of the currents being 0 and it worked out great, good tip!
 
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Glad that it helped. Did it resolve the discrepancy?

I've found that I need to stay single-minded (and simple-minded) in problems like this. If I try to get creative, it usually comes back to bite me in the end. o0)
 
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berkeman said:
Glad that it helped. Did it resolve the discrepancy?

I've found that I need to stay single-minded (and simple-minded) in problems like this. If I try to get creative, it usually comes back to bite me in the end. o0)
yeah, it yielded the answer from the solution!
 
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