Determine source frequency and impedance

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The discussion revolves around determining the source frequency and impedance in a series circuit containing a resistor and an inductor, where the current lags the applied voltage by a specified angle. Participants explore different methods and equations to solve the problem, including phasor analysis and algebraic approaches.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • Post 1 presents the initial problem statement and an attempt at a solution, calculating the angular frequency and frequency but arriving at a different answer than expected.
  • Post 2 suggests that the voltage Vm is not equal to the voltage drop across the inductor and resistor, indicating a potential misunderstanding in the time domain equation.
  • Post 3 introduces phasor analysis, proposing a method to find impedance and frequency, and arrives at a frequency of approximately 150.67 Hz, questioning the correctness of the approach.
  • Post 4 outlines an alternative method using algebra to derive the impedance and frequency, emphasizing the importance of avoiding premature calculations in complex problems.
  • Post 5 reiterates the algebraic method and acknowledges a slight error in the final answer, expressing gratitude for the assistance received.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants explore multiple approaches to the problem, with some agreeing on the use of phasors while others emphasize algebraic methods. There is no consensus on the final answers or methods, as participants present differing calculations and interpretations of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note potential errors in the initial setup of the problem, particularly regarding the voltage relationships in the circuit. There are also unresolved aspects regarding the calculations of angular frequency and impedance.

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Homework Statement


The current in a series circuit of R=5 ohms and L=30 mH lags the applied voltage by 80 degrees. Determine the source frequency and impedance.
(Ans: Z=5+j28.4 , f=150.4 Hz)

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution



Current in the inductor,
IL = Vm/wL*sin(wt-80)

Current in the resistor,
Ir = Vm/R * sin(wt-80)

Current in the resistor equals current in conductor
Equating them you get,
1/wL = 1/R
1/w(30*10-3) = 1/5
w = 166.67 rad/s

w = 2*pi*f
f = w/2*pi
= 166.67/2*pi
= 26.53Hz

But they get a frequency of 150.4Hz
 
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have you learned phasors yet? if you have there is an easy way to do this problem.

That being said, your problem is voltage Vm is equel to the voltage drop across the inductor AND the resistor. They are is series. Therefore the voltage drop across the inductor is not vm. You also wrote your time domain equation wrong.
 
donpacino said:
have you learned phasors yet? if you have there is an easy way to do this problem.

That being said, your problem is voltage Vm is equel to the voltage drop across the inductor AND the resistor. They are is series. Therefore the voltage drop across the inductor is not vm. You also wrote your time domain equation wrong.

Yes, I have done phasors

I think I found a way using phasors

if z = x∠80

Then, x*cos(80) = 5 (The real part, which is the value of the resistor)

Therefore x = 28.79

So, z = 28.79∠80

Therefore the impedance of the inductor is equal to 28.79sin(80) = j28.4

Angular frequency for inductor
z = jWL
W = 28.4/30*10-3
= 946.67 rad/s

Therefore the frequency is
w/2*pi
= 946.67/2*pi
= 150.67Hz

I think that's correct, yes ?

Thanks
 
yes! here is how i did it

i=v/z
z=R+LS

we know I=mag(I)∠-80
so z=mag(z)∠80=sqrt(R2+(Lw)2)∠tan-1(Lw/R)

80=tan-1(Lw/R)
solve for w

in other words, the same thing, but used algebra until the end. I recommend you do that, with more complicated problems avoiding calculations until the end can prevent mistakes.
 
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donpacino said:
yes! here is how i did it

i=v/z
z=R+LS

we know I=mag(I)∠-80
so z=mag(z)∠80=sqrt(R2+(Lw)2)∠tan-1(Lw/R)

80=tan-1(Lw/R)
solve for w

in other words, the same thing, but used algebra until the end. I recommend you do that, with more complicated problems avoiding calculations until the end can prevent mistakes.

Yeah, I see my final answer was a bit off there

Thanks for you help :smile:
 

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