Determine the value of capacitor for an A.C Series Circuit?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the value of a capacitor in an AC series circuit to ensure that the current and voltage are in phase. Participants explore the implications of the circuit's components, including a resistor, inductor, and capacitor, and how their impedances affect the phase relationship between current and voltage.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about starting the problem due to the EMF and suggests converting it to polar or rectangular form.
  • Another participant provides the impedance formulas for the inductor and capacitor, indicating the need to find the current I using the given EMF.
  • Some participants discuss the significance of the angular frequency in determining the impedances of the capacitor and inductor.
  • A participant notes the challenge of solving for current without knowing the capacitance value, emphasizing the goal of achieving zero phase difference between current and voltage.
  • There is a suggestion to substitute a capacitance value that results in a phase angle of zero, along with a question about converting the cosine voltage expression into polar form.
  • Another participant argues that the magnitude of the voltage supply does not affect the phase shift introduced by the circuit, stating that only the frequency matters for the phase relationship.
  • Participants inquire about the conditions that would lead to zero phase difference in the impedance components.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on how to approach the problem, with no consensus on the specific method for determining the capacitance value or the treatment of the voltage expression. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to achieve the desired phase condition.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached a consensus on the assumptions regarding the treatment of the voltage expression or the specific values needed for the capacitor. The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and varying interpretations of the phase relationships in the circuit.

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Determine the value of capacitor to make sure that the current and voltage are in phase.

The diagram is a simple series circuit with;

Voltage Source = 30cos(377t+30°)v
then a resistor R = 10 Ω
then an inductor = 5mH
then capacitor C = ?

I'm not sure how to start this as the EMF has confused me, I think it needs to be changed to polar or rectangular form. If anyone could help it would be much appreciated
 
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V = IZ
w=377

The formula for Z (impedance) of inductor is ZL = jwL

ZL = j1.89
ZR = 10
ZC = 1/jwC

so 30cos(377t+30°)v = I(10 + j1.89 + 1/j377C)

Does anyone understand the EMF on the LHS or know how I would find the current I?
 
The EMF is that of a cosine with amplitude 30V, an angular frequency of 377 radians per second, and a phase shift of 30°. The important bit is the angular frequency, as this will set the impedances of the capacitor and inductor (according to their values).

Suppose you were given all three component values, R, L, and C. How would you determine the angle of the current given some EMF E at frequency ω?
 
gneill said:
The EMF is that of a cosine with amplitude 30V, an angular frequency of 377 radians per second, and a phase shift of 30°. The important bit is the angular frequency, as this will set the impedances of the capacitor and inductor (according to their values).

Suppose you were given all three component values, R, L, and C. How would you determine the angle of the current given some EMF E at frequency ω?


I've got this far (using j instead of i to avoid confusion with current)

V=IZ
V=I(10 + j1.89 + 1/j377C)

Where j1.89 is the inductors impedance

I don't know where to go from there because I can't solve for the current unless I know the value of capacitance but the question asks to determine the value of capacitance for where the current and voltage are in phase
 
alex282 said:
I've got this far (using j instead of i to avoid confusion with current)

V=IZ
V=I(10 + j1.89 + 1/j377C)

Where j1.89 is the inductors impedance

I don't know where to go from there because I can't solve for the current unless I know the value of capacitance but the question asks to determine the value of capacitance for where the current and voltage are in phase

Good. You can solve for the current symbolically. It will have real and imaginary parts. What condition must hold if the relative angle of the current is to be zero?
 
So I should try to substitute a value in for the capacitance that will give me a phase angle of 0? Would I be right in converting 30cos(377t+30) into polar as (30, 30) or should I be adding something like 90 degrees to the phase angle to convert cos to sin before I put it in polar?
 
alex282 said:
So I should try to substitute a value in for the capacitance that will give me a phase angle of 0? Would I be right in converting 30cos(377t+30) into polar as (30, 30) or should I be adding something like 90 degrees to the phase angle to convert cos to sin before I put it in polar?

If you think about it, the magnitude of the voltage supply is independent of the phase; no matter what the voltage is it will not effect the phase shift that the circuit causes. Furthermore, the 'reference' phase of the voltage supply (the 30°) will also not effect the phase introduced by the circuit. After all, a sinewave is the same a cosinewave simply shifted in time. The same goes for a sinewave shifted by 30°; it's just another sinewave, and any phase shift introduced between the current and voltage by the circuit is independent of the initial phase of the voltage supply. So you can safely ignore both the voltage magnitude AND the initial phase of the supply, since you're only interested in the phase shift between the current and the voltage as introduced by the network it's connected to. Only the frequency of the supply matters here. You can simply represent the voltage symbolically as V.

Take your expression V=I(10 + j1.89 + 1/j377C). In order for there to be no phase difference between the voltage and current, what can you say about the components of the impedance? In other words, what would make the angle of the impedance zero?
 

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