Determining direction of wave propagation from the phase?

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The discussion centers on determining the direction of wave propagation based on the phase of a wave, specifically comparing two phase expressions: \(\phi_1 = \vec k \cdot \vec r - \omega t\) and \(\phi_2 = \vec k \cdot \vec r + \omega t\). The scope includes theoretical aspects of wave mechanics and mathematical reasoning related to wave vectors and phase velocity.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to determine the direction of wave propagation from the given phase expressions and invites further clarification.
  • Another participant reflects on their previous understanding that the wave vector \(\vec k\) indicates the direction of wave propagation, expressing uncertainty due to recent class discussions.
  • A third participant explains that the phase progression \(\mathbf{k}\cdot\mathbf{r}-\omega t\) indicates propagation in the \(\hat{k}\) direction, while suggesting that a different time convention or a missing sign could imply propagation in the opposite direction.
  • A fourth participant describes a method to find the phase velocity by differentiating the phase with respect to time, asserting that the direction of propagation aligns with the direction of the wave vector \(\vec k\).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of certainty regarding the relationship between the wave vector and the direction of propagation. There is no consensus on the implications of the different phase expressions, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of the time convention and its effects on wave direction.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about time progression and phase definitions are not explicitly stated, which may affect the interpretations of wave propagation direction. The discussion does not resolve the implications of these assumptions.

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Suppose you know the phase of a wave is given by

<br /> \phi_1 = \vec k \cdot \vec r - \omega t.<br />

How can you determine in which direction this wave is propagating? I guess, more specifically, how does a wave described by this phase differ from a wave described by the phase

<br /> \phi_2 = \vec k \cdot \vec r + \omega t<br />

I may not have provided enough detail...please tell me if I haven't! Thanks.
 
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(I was always under the impression that it was the wave vector \vec k that carried the information about which way the wave was propagating, but recent discussions in my E&M class have caused me to question this belief.)
 
You first need to define your time progression. If your standard is good ole e^{-i\omega t}, then the phase dependence is given by:

\mathbf{k}\cdot\mathbf{r}-\omega t

The wave propogates in the \hat{k} direction. If you have

\mathbf{k}\cdot\mathbf{r}-\omega t

as your phase progression then you must have changed your time convention to e^{i\omega t} or you are missing a minus sign here where the actual dependence is e^{-\phi_2} in which case we are progressing in the -\hat{k} direction, but this information is not given in what you have.
 
Take r vector to be in the direction of k vector.
Now, take kx-wt=A (some constant phase) and differentiate it with respect to t . you get dx/dt=w/k which is the velocity of the point whose A(phase) is constant, and hence velocity of wave . It is called phase velocity. Direction of the propagation is the direction of k vector.

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