Determining Spontaneity in the Reaction COCl2(g) -> CO(g)+Cl2(g)

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The discussion revolves around determining the temperature range for the spontaneity of the reaction COCl2(g) → CO(g) + Cl2(g) at 25 degrees Celsius and 1 atm. Participants explore the application of thermodynamic principles, particularly the Gibbs free energy equation, to assess spontaneity.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using the equation ΔG = ΔH - TΔS and setting ΔG to zero to find the temperature range for spontaneity.
  • Another participant agrees with the initial approach and mentions that the temperature range could be bounded by ΔG = 0 and the temperatures at which the components are eliminated, such as boiling or dissociation temperatures.
  • A later reply questions how to determine whether the temperature will be above or below the critical temperature that is bounded by ΔG = 0.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need for additional information, specifically the enthalpy and entropy of formation for each species, to accurately find the temperature.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to use thermodynamic principles to determine spontaneity but express uncertainty regarding the specific temperatures and additional information required. Multiple competing views remain on how to approach the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of enthalpy and entropy values, which are not provided, indicating that the discussion is limited by missing data necessary for calculations.

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COCl2(g) --> CO(g)+Cl2(g)

Homework Statement


Consider the reaction carried out at 25 degrees celsius and 1 atm: COCl2(g)-->CO(g)+Cl2(g)
In what temperature range will the reaction become (or not become) spontaneous?


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3. The Attempt at a Solution [/b
My hunch is that i have to use ΔG=ΔH-TΔS and set ΔG equal to zero but then I'm not sure how am i supposed to get a temperature range...help please!
 
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Your hunch is correct. The temperature range would be bounded by ΔG=0 and also any temperature at which the components are eliminated: e.g., the boiling temperature of the gases, the dissociation temperature of CO, etc. I'm not sure any of these will be relevant, but it might explain why there's a limited temperature range.
 


Mapes said:
Your hunch is correct. The temperature range would be bounded by ΔG=0 and also any temperature at which the components are eliminated: e.g., the boiling temperature of the gases, the dissociation temperature of CO, etc. I'm not sure any of these will be relevant, but it might explain why there's a limited temperature range.

How do we know whether the temperature will be above or below that of the temperature that is bounded by ΔG=0?
 


I don't know. It's something you have to check, just as if you were designing an industrial process to run the reaction.
 


I think you'll need extra information, especially the enthalpy of formation for each species, or the entropy of formation. then you can find T
 

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