Dice with weighted sides, looking for odds of a sum:faster way

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The discussion revolves around calculating the odds of rolling a sum of 4 with a weighted six-sided die, where rolling a 1 has a probability three times that of rolling 2, 3, 4, 5, or 6. The probabilities for each side are established, with 1 having a 3/8 chance and the others 1/8 each. The initial calculations yield a probability of 7/64 for achieving a sum of 4 through various combinations of rolls. Participants explore whether there is a more efficient method than creating a detailed outcome chart. The conversation highlights the complexity of the problem and the desire for a simpler mathematical approach.
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Dice with weighted sides, looking for odds of a sum:faster way please

Homework Statement



6 side die is weighted so prob of rolling 2,3,4,5,6 is same and rolling 1 is 3x rolling a 2. If die is thrown twice, what's odds of getting a sum of 4?

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x+x+x+x+x+3x represents the "chances" of rolling a 2,3,4,5,6, and 1. So 2,3,4,5,6 individually have a 1/8 chance of rolling each time. 1 has a 3/8 chance of hitting each time.

a)For sum of 4 from 2 rolls, I need to get 1,2,3 on either rolls. Chance of getting that on first roll is 1/8 + 1/8 + 3/8 = 5/8.

If I get a 1 or 2 on first roll, then my 2nd roll can only be one result, so 5/8*1/8=5/64. Then now it's weird. If I get a 3, I multiply 5/8 by 3/8 right? O.o Answer is 7/64 though and for 3, it'd be 15/64.

Also, 7/64 doesn't match the 5/64 I got for getting a 1 or 2 on 2nd roll.

b)I made a chart. I got the correct answer this way, but can someone show me a faster way?

http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=15919977748640328011
 
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If I get a 1 or 2 on first roll, then my 2nd roll can only be one result, so 5/8*1/8=5/64.
That can't be right. 5/8 is the odds of getting a 1, 2, or 3 on the first roll... but you said you were considering the case where you got a 1 or 2 on the first roll.


Incidentally, why bother breaking the problem into "first roll" and "second roll"? Why not just consider each possible pair of rolls as outcomes?
 
Incidentally, why bother breaking the problem into "first roll" and "second roll"? Why not just consider each possible pair of rolls as outcomes?

You mean 5/8 * 5/8? That wouldn't equal 7/64. My chart works out to 7/64, but I want to find a less meticulous way.
 
pugfug90 said:
Incidentally, why bother breaking the problem into "first roll" and "second roll"? Why not just consider each possible pair of rolls as outcomes?

You mean 5/8 * 5/8? That wouldn't equal 7/64. My chart works out to 7/64, but I want to find a less meticulous way.

Well, most of the outcomes in {(1, 1), (1, 2), (1, 3), (2, 1), (2, 2), (2, 3), (3, 1), (3, 2), (3, 3)} do not have a sum of 4. So clearly the answer is not the probability of getting anyone of these outcomes.
 
I can finally see your chart. I'm not sure what the problem with that approach is -- unless you mean writing the entire chart. Of course you don't need to write down all 36 outcomes; you only need to write down the 3 relevant ones.
 
Just wondering if there was an equational way?
 
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