Did My Math Professor Really Not Teach Us How to Solve sec(3θ)−2=0?

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The discussion revolves around the equation sec(3θ)−2=0, with participants expressing frustration about the lack of instruction from a math professor on solving such problems. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and problem-solving approaches related to trigonometric identities and equations.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express frustration with their professor for not teaching how to solve problems that appear in homework, feeling lost and unsupported.
  • One participant assumes the equation is meant to be sec^3(θ)−2=0 and suggests rewriting it as sec(θ) = √[3]2, questioning the definition of sec.
  • Another participant clarifies that the equation is sec(3θ)−2=0, discussing various interpretations of the notation used.
  • A participant provides a detailed solution to sec(3θ)−2=0, leading to cos(3θ) = 1/2 and further solving for θ.
  • There are concerns about the readability of mathematical expressions, particularly on mobile devices, with some participants discussing formatting issues.
  • One participant mentions that the computer indicates their input is incorrect, prompting a discussion about what was attempted.
  • Another participant notes that the solution provided is only half of the complete solution, suggesting that multiple solutions exist based on different values of k.
  • A later reply reflects on a teaching experience, highlighting that students may not always remember what has been covered in class, even if it was previously taught.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the interpretation of the equation or the completeness of the solution. Multiple competing views on how to approach the problem and the clarity of instruction are present.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the interpretation of the equation and the assumptions made about the problem statement. The discussion also highlights potential limitations in communication and understanding between students and instructors.

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Before I post the question I need to vent. I've about had it with my math professor. He isn't showing us how to solve problems that keep popping up in the math homework and I am 100% lost most of the time. Ok I'm done.

The question is

sec 3(theta)-2=0
 
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Elissa89 said:
Before I post the question I need to vent. I've about had it with my math professor. He isn't showing us how to solve problems that keep popping up in the math homework and I am 100% lost most of the time. Ok I'm done.

The question is

sec 3(theta)-2=0

I'm assuming you mean $\sec^3(\theta)-2=0$?

If so, we can rewrite it as:
$$\sec^3(\theta)=2 \quad\Rightarrow\quad \sec\theta =\sqrt[3]2$$
can't we?

Oh, and can you say what $\sec$ actually is?
Usually we try to express formulas in $\cos$ and $\sin$ after all, which I think makes the analysis a bit easier.
 
Klaas van Aarsen said:
I'm assuming you mean $\sec^3(\theta)-2=0$?

If so, we can rewrite it as:
$$\sec^3(\theta)=2 \quad\Rightarrow\quad \sec\theta =\sqrt[3]2$$
can't we?

Oh, and can you say what $\sec$ actually is?
Usually we try to express formulas in $\cos$ and $\sin$ after all, which I think makes the analysis a bit easier.

The secant is not cubed, it's sec 3*(theta)
 
Elissa89 said:
Before I post the question I need to vent. I've about had it with my math professor. He isn't showing us how to solve problems that keep popping up in the math homework and I am 100% lost most of the time.
If you have an opportunity, go to the office hour and let the professor know you concerns.

Elissa89 said:
sec 3(theta)-2=0
This can be parsed in many ways: $$\sec(3\theta)-2=0$$, $$\sec(3\theta-2)=0$$, perhaps even $$\sec(3\theta)^{-2}=0$$ or $$s\cdot e\cdot c\cdot 3(\theta)-2=0$$ where $3$ is some function of $\theta$ (why else would you use parentheses around $\theta$ and not the argument of $\sec$?). Also, the problem may ask you to solve the equation, to prove that it has no solutions, to plot the solutions, to prove that solutions are not expressible in radicals or many other things. All this must be in the problem statement.

If you need to solve the equation $\sec(3\theta)-2=0$, then you can proceed as follows.
$$\begin{align}
\sec(3\theta)-2=0&\iff\sec(3\theta)=2\\
&\iff\dfrac{1}{\cos(3\theta)}=2\\
&\iff\cos(3\theta)=\dfrac12\\
&\iff 3\theta=\pm\dfrac\pi3+2\pi k,k\in\mathbb{Z}\\
&\iff\theta=\pm\dfrac\pi9+\dfrac23\pi k,k\in\mathbb{Z}
\end{align}$$
 
Evgeny.Makarov said:
If you have an opportunity, go to the office hour and let the professor know you concerns.

This can be parsed in many ways: $$\sec(3\theta)-2=0$$, $$\sec(3\theta-2)=0$$, perhaps even $$\sec(3\theta)^{-2}=0$$ or $$s\cdot e\cdot c\cdot 3(\theta)-2=0$$ where $3$ is some function of $\theta$ (why else would you use parentheses around $\theta$ and not the argument of $\sec$?). Also, the problem may ask you to solve the equation, to prove that it has no solutions, to plot the solutions, to prove that solutions are not expressible in radicals or many other things. All this must be in the problem statement.

If you need to solve the equation $\sec(3\theta)-2=0$, then you can proceed as follows.
$$\begin{align}
\sec(3\theta)-2=0&\iff\sec(3\theta)=2\\
&\iff\dfrac{1}{\cos(3\theta)}=2\\
&\iff\cos(3\theta)=\dfrac12\\
&\iff 3\theta=\pm\dfrac\pi3+2\pi k,k\in\mathbb{Z}\\
&\iff\theta=\pm\dfrac\pi9+\dfrac23\pi k,k\in\mathbb{Z}
\end{align}$$

Ummm... thanks but can you fix this so I can read it more easily?
 
Elissa89 said:
Ummm... thanks but can you fix this so I can read it more easily?

Are you using a mobile device?
 
I first posted the align environment that was not typeset as LaTeX. I then edited my post and enclosed it it math tags. I am not sure if this is the problem OP referred to.
 
MarkFL said:
Are you using a mobile device?

Evgeny.Makarov said:
I first posted the align environment that was not typeset as LaTeX. I then edited my post and enclosed it it math tags. I am not sure if this is the problem OP referred to.

Interestingly the problems that we used to have on rendering formulas on mobiles devices seem to have disappeared.
Either way, the formulas that Evgeny posted show up just fine on my mobile device.
I did notice that his original post did not render, but this has been fixed, and the response of the OP actually shows the fixed rendering.
 
Klaas van Aarsen said:
Interestingly the problems that we used to have on rendering formulas on mobiles devices seem to have disappeared.
Either way, the formulas that Evgeny posted show up just fine on my mobile device.
I did notice that his original post did not render, but this has been fixed, and the response of the OP actually shows the fixed rendering.

It appears that Evgeny's post was quoted after he wrapped his code in math tags. I wasn't aware though that the issue of inline LaTeX bleeding into surrounding text on some mobile devices had gone away. That was the only thing I could think of that would make his otherwise nicely formatted post not be easily read.
 
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Here's a link to a list of trigonometric identities and related information. It's really quite thorough and contains a nice graphic of the unit circle:

List of trigonometric identities.
 
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Elissa89 said:
Ummm... thanks but can you fix this so I can read it more easily?

Ok, I get how you solved it, however when I input it the computer tells me it's wrong.
 
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Elissa89 said:
Ok, I get how you solved it, however when I input it the computer tells me it's wrong.

What did you try to input?
 
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Klaas van Aarsen said:
What did you try to input?

Ok I figured it out, I had to include 5*pi/9 +2/3*pi*k
 
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Elissa89 said:
Ok I figured it out, I had to include 5*pi/9 +2/3*pi*k

For the record, that is only half of the solution.
The full solution is 5*pi/9 +2/3*pi*k (or -pi/9 +2/3*pi*k) combined with pi/9 +2/3*pi*k.
 
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Klaas van Aarsen said:
For the record, that is only half of the solution.
The full solution is 5*pi/9 +2/3*pi*k (or -pi/9 +2/3*pi*k) combined with pi/9 +2/3*pi*k.
I know, I included both
 
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Elissa89 said:
Before I post the question I need to vent. I've about had it with my math professor. He isn't showing us how to solve problems that keep popping up in the math homework and I am 100% lost most of the time. Ok I'm done.

The question is

sec 3(theta)-2=0
When I was teaching Calculus I had the practice of starting each class by asking if there were any questions about the homework and going over any problems asked about. I also put two or three homework problems on the tests as well as some problems that were just simple variations of those and one or two that were completely different but used the concepts the students should have learned.

One time a student complained bitterly that I had never taught them how to solve this kind of problem. I thought it would be one of those that "were completely different but used the concepts the students should have learned". When I looked at it, it was, in fact, one of the homework problems assigned. It was one that I had gone over in class, and I was able to open the student's notebook and show where he had that specific problem completely solved!

So students (and this was a good student who got a good grade in the course) do not always remember exactly what their teacher has gone over in class!
 

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