Did Obama's Unilateral Strike Policy in Pakistan Already Exist?

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The discussion centers around the implications of President Obama's unilateral strike policy in Pakistan, particularly in relation to counter-terrorism operations and the nature of U.S.-Pakistan relations. Participants explore the historical context of such strikes, the interpretation of Obama's statements, and the potential existence of agreements between the U.S. and Pakistan regarding military operations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that Obama indicated a willingness to strike terrorists in Pakistan without seeking permission from the Pakistani government, citing his statements as a clear policy direction.
  • Others argue that there should be no safe haven for terrorists, suggesting that international actions against them, including assassinations, are justified under certain conditions.
  • A participant questions whether the CIA has been granted permission for operations within Pakistan, given the presence of U.S. military assets on Pakistani soil.
  • Another participant points out that the muted public reaction from both U.S. and Pakistani officials to recent strikes suggests a possible tacit agreement between the two nations regarding military operations.
  • Some express skepticism about the media's portrayal of Obama's statements, arguing that they were misinterpreted and that there may be more complex agreements in place than publicly acknowledged.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether there is an existing agreement between the U.S. and Pakistan regarding military operations. There are competing views on the interpretation of Obama's policy and the implications of U.S. actions in Pakistan.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the ambiguity surrounding the nature of U.S.-Pakistan relations, the lack of public information regarding agreements, and the potential for covert operations that may not be fully disclosed.

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Some months ago Obama stated that he would, as President, strike terrorists in Pakistan without getting Pakistan's permission.

Obama: "I understand that President Musharraf has his own challenges... But let me make this clear. There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again. ... If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf will not act, we will."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-obama2aug02,1,3583988.story

He took a lot of flak for that position. In fact, his words were misinterpreted (by GWB, no less) as an intention to invade Pakistan.

Bush: "I certainly don't know what he believes in. The only foreign policy thing I remember he said was he's going to attack Pakistan and embrace Ahmadinejad, which — I think I commented that in a press conference when I was asked about it."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/350/

Turns out, we've been doing unilateral strikes into Pakistan all along.

Officials say the incident was a model of how Washington often scores its rare victories these days in the fight against al-Qaeda inside Pakistan's national borders: It acts with assistance from well-paid sympathizers inside the country, but without getting the government's formal permission beforehand.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/18/AR2008021802500.html?hpid=topnews

This sounds EXACTLY like what Obama said he would do as President!
 
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There should be no safe haven for terrorists, so long as America understands that ,and would not mind if a terrorist was assassinated by another country on its soil, then there should be no problem.

I sure would not have minded if any government assassinated an IRA terrorist were he ever he/she was.
 
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What do you think this means:
With all signs pointing to a unique target, CIA officials ordered the launch of a pilotless MQ-1B Predator aircraft, one of three kept at a secret base that the Pakistani government has allowed to be stationed inside the country. Launches from that base do not require government permission, officials said.

Perhaps the CIA has been granted permission to perform some operations within Pakistan borders? Why else allow a base for these weapons to be established? Has the Pakistan Government condemned the attack? It has been three weeks now since the attack.

What does Pakistan say about it?
 
From the same source,

"Publicly, reaction to the strike among U.S. and Pakistani leaders has been muted, with neither side appearing eager to call attention to an awkward, albeit successful, unilateral U.S. military operation. Some Pakistani government spokesmen have even questioned whether the terrorist leader was killed."

I'm not surprised to learn that there are cloak-and-dagger operations going on in that part of the world. You know, and I know, there's a whole lot more going on beneath the surface, things that we might only find out about when we're very old, if ever.

My point is the MSP widely misinterpreted Obama's statements, and even ridiculed him for being naive.
 
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My point is the MSP widely misinterpreted Obama's statements, and even ridiculed him for being naive.

But my point was that we don't know that some form of agreement already exists between Pakistan and the US at this time. They have authorized the establishment of bases to launch these types of missions, after all. That is very different than what Obama suggested last August. He suggested that if we approached Musharraf with actionable intelligence and he refused to act that we would.
If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf will not act, we will."
That is clearly an adversarial condition. Nothing is publicly known about the Pakistan government's acquiescence in this matter by blanket authority granted to the US (as suggested by the placement of the airfield on Pakistan soil). Pakistan's muted response actually reinforces the notion that some agreement already exists.
 

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