Difference between Astrophysics and Astronomy ?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the differences between Astrophysics and Astronomy, particularly in the context of choosing an academic path for undergraduate studies. Participants explore the implications of pursuing a B.S. in Astronomy versus a B.S. in Physics for future graduate studies in Astrophysics, including course requirements and the relevance of physics education.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that Astronomy often refers to observational aspects, while Astrophysics is more theoretical, though this distinction may vary by institution.
  • There is a belief among some that the labels of Astronomy and Astrophysics do not significantly impact the substance of the education received, as different schools have different structures.
  • One participant notes that a B.S. in Astronomy may not provide sufficient physics background for graduate studies in Astrophysics, suggesting a double major or taking physics electives as alternatives.
  • Another participant mentions that an advisor indicated the Astronomy major is designed to align with physics departments, potentially easing the transition to graduate school.
  • Concerns are raised about the adequacy of the Astronomy curriculum in preparing students for advanced physics topics necessary for Astrophysics, such as E&M, quantum mechanics, and statistical mechanics.
  • Some participants argue that programming skills are increasingly important in Astronomy research, possibly more so than a deep physics foundation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the adequacy of an Astronomy degree for pursuing Astrophysics, with some advocating for a stronger physics background while others believe the Astronomy major is sufficient. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best academic path for aspiring astrophysicists.

Contextual Notes

There are varying assumptions about the curriculum and its alignment with graduate study requirements. The discussion reflects uncertainty regarding the depth of physics education provided by an Astronomy degree and its implications for future studies.

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I'm transferring schools for the fall of 2010, and one of the schools that I'm looking into offers a B.S. in Physics and a separate B.S. in Astronomy. The other school I'm looking into offers only a B.S. in Physics, though they say I can take elective courses in Astronomy. Basically, I want to study Astrophysics, but I'm confused by which school I should go to.. Should I go for the B.S. in Astronomy (and if I do, is it feasible for someone with a B.S. in Astronomy to do graduate work in astrophysics?) or should I stick with the B.S. in Physics? I was always under the impression that at the university, Astrophysics and Astronomy are one in the same, am I wrong?
 
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In some contexts Astronomy can be used to mean "observation" and Astrophysics can be used to mean "theory". In other contexts they are used interchangeably. This is (in all probability) the case at this university. If you want to study Astrophysics, a BS in Astronomy is the best way to go.

Edit: It is probably a good idea, though, to go to this university's website, and see what this degree entails.
 
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The labels really don't matter very much. Different schools structure things in different ways, and it's more a matter of politics than of substance.
 
nicksauce said:
In some contexts Astronomy can be used to mean "observation" and Astrophysics can be used to mean "theory". In other contexts they are used interchangeably. This is (in all probability) the case at this university. If you want to study Astrophysics, a BS in Astronomy is the best way to go.

Edit: It is probably a good idea, though, to go to this university's website, and see what this degree entails.

I've been to both websites and the B.S. in Astronomy seems to entail course work in classical mechanics, waves and optics, UNIX/Linux programming, a class called "The Physical Universe", Stars and Radiation, Galaxies, 2 courses in Cosmology and 3 AST electives.

The Physics program at the same school (for comparision): Classical mechanics, E&M, UNIX/Linux programming, a bunch of courses in quantum mechanics, thermodynamics, waves and optics and a bunch of physics lab electives.

So, based on that information, is it safe to say that you still endorse the Astronomy major if I plan on studying astrophysics in the future?
 
If you want to go to grad school in astrophysics, chances are good an astronomy major alone will not require enough physics - you'll need to be ready to take a few grad level physics courses. How about double majoring? Or if that's not an option, I'd say go with the physics major and take astronomy electives.
 
eri said:
If you want to go to grad school in astrophysics, chances are good an astronomy major alone will not require enough physics - you'll need to be ready to take a few grad level physics courses. How about double majoring? Or if that's not an option, I'd say go with the physics major and take astronomy electives.

I had this concern myself, so I asked an advisor for the school and she said that the astronomy major was designed to comply with physics departments and that I'd have no trouble transitioning to grad school. So that eased my mind a bit. Thanks a lot.
 
I think that the two terms are used interchangeably. Except one of them is mainly used for observation while the other is used for theory (like nicksauce mentioned).
 
sEsposito said:
I've been to both websites and the B.S. in Astronomy seems to entail course work in classical mechanics, waves and optics, UNIX/Linux programming, a class called "The Physical Universe", Stars and Radiation, Galaxies, 2 courses in Cosmology and 3 AST electives.

The Physics program at the same school (for comparision): Classical mechanics, E&M, UNIX/Linux programming, a bunch of courses in quantum mechanics, thermodynamics, waves and optics and a bunch of physics lab electives.

So, based on that information, is it safe to say that you still endorse the Astronomy major if I plan on studying astrophysics in the future?


Having taken an upper level class in astrophysics, it's not clear to me why you would not want to take E&M, quantum mechanics and statistical mechanics if you are interested in astrophysics. It seems to me it would be more important to get a firm foundation in physics. And of course you can take a few electives in astronomy.
 
sEsposito said:
I was always under the impression that at the university, Astrophysics and Astronomy are one in the same, am I wrong?

Judging by the courses you posted, this is incorrect. The astronomy degree doesn't seem like it gives you a full preparation in physics. Of course, I have no idea what they do for 3 semesters of undergrad cosmology. Maybe they get deep into general relativity for all I know (but I'm guessing not).
 
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Having taken an upper level class in astrophysics, it's not clear to me why you would not want to take E&M, quantum mechanics and statistical mechanics if you are interested in astrophysics. It seems to me it would be more important to get a firm foundation in physics. And of course you can take a few electives in astronomy.

I agree. It seems that computer science (and programming in general) is more important than physics for most astronomy research these days.
 

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