Difference between isobar and isochor heat capacity

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between isobaric heat capacity (C_p) and isochoric heat capacity (C_v), specifically exploring the equation C_p - C_v = -T (∂V/∂p)_{T,n} (∂p/∂T)_{V,n} and the derivation of this relationship through thermodynamic principles. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and technical explanations related to thermodynamics.

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  • One participant begins with the equation C_p - C_v = (∂H/∂T)_{p,N} - (∂U/∂T)_{V,n} and attempts to derive the relationship using definitions of enthalpy and internal energy.
  • Another participant suggests starting from the combined first and second laws of thermodynamics and expresses the internal energy as a function of temperature and volume, leading to a standard relation for C_p and C_v.
  • A question arises regarding the meaning of performing an isobaric process and how it relates to the derivation of C_p.
  • Further clarification is provided about the isobaric process, indicating that the changes in entropy, volume, and temperature have specific values that contribute to the derivation of the relationship between C_p and C_v.
  • One participant points out a potential typo in an earlier equation, suggesting that an extra dV should be removed from the equation presented.

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Participants express differing levels of understanding regarding the derivation process and the implications of isobaric conditions. There is no consensus on the clarity of the derivation steps or the interpretation of certain terms.

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Some assumptions regarding the definitions of heat capacities and the conditions under which the equations are derived may be implicit. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps or clarify all dependencies on specific thermodynamic definitions.

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Hello,

I want to show:
C_p - C_v = -T \big( \frac {\partial V}{\partial p} \big)_{T,n} \big( \frac {\partial p}{\partial T} \big)_{V,n}^2

I started by doing this:
C_p - C_v= \big( \frac {\partial H}{\partial T} \big)_{p,N} - \big( \frac {\partial U}{\partial T} \big)_{V,n}

Applying the definitions of enthalpy and energy:
dH = TdS + V dp + \mu dn
and
dU = TdS - p dV + \mu dn

I can rewrite the equation like this:
= V \big(\frac {\partial p}{\partial T} \big) + p \big( \frac {\partial V}{\partial T} \big)
(while TdS and µdn terms cancel out each other)

Now I do not know how to continue. Can anyone help :)
 
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Start with:

T dS = dU + p dV (Combined 1st and 2nd laws) (1)

Write U as a function of T and V:

T dS = [(∂U/∂T)V dT + (∂U/∂V)T dV] + p dV

= [(∂U/∂T)V + p ] dV + (∂U/∂T)V dT

The last term is CV dT, so:

T dS = [(∂U/∂T)V + p ] dV + CV dT

Now do an isobaric process, and divide by dT to get:

CP - CV = [(∂U/∂T)V + p ] dV (∂V/∂T)P (2)


which is a standard relation derived, for example, in Sears

Now, starting again with the combined 1st and 2nd law (equ (1)):

dU + p dV = T dS

Divide by dV keeping T constant :

( ∂U/∂V)T + p = T (∂S/∂V)T (3)

Substituting this for the term in square brackets in equ (2)

CP - CV = T (∂S/∂V)T (∂V/∂T)P (4)

Use one of Maxwell's equations (Ref: Sears) to substitute for the first partial derivative on the right of equ (4):

CP - CV = T (∂P/∂T)V (∂V/∂T)P (5)

Now use the standard relation for partial derivatives (also ref: Sears)

(∂V/∂T)P (∂T/∂P)V (∂P/∂V)T = -1

to substitute for the second partial derivative on the right of equ (5) and get what you need.

Please let me know if you need clarification
 
Thank you for your answer :)

I have got a question on that:
What does it exactly mean when you say 'Now do an isobaric process'. I don't see how the C_p drops in.
 
So let us start with the equation before that line:


T dS = [(∂U/∂T)V + p] dV + CV dT

In an isobaric process, each of the changes dS, dV and dT will have certain values. So when we divide by that value of dT, we get:

T (∂S/∂T)p = [(∂U/∂T)V + p] (∂V/∂T)p + CV

The constant p on the partial derivatives signifying the isobaric process.

The left hand side is precisely Cp. Now take the CV to the left and you get

Cp - CV = [(∂U/∂T)V + p] (∂V/∂T)p

This is equation (2) in what I wrote earlier. Incidentally, there was a typo in the earlier equation (2). There is a dV extra which should be erased.

Let me know if you need any more help
 

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