Difference between Lorentz and Einstein

[NotAName]

I cannot understand this at all.

Because you have not yet understood how to develop gamma from a classical physical wave theory. This is something I've tried explaining but you all have not tried to understand.

What I am saying in that quote is this. If you apply a physical wave theory treatment to the "trucks" diagram and experiment and then further extend what you have learned there to predict a similar situation where we are predicting when a wave will reach a distant object, will you find that physical wave theory (as described by my experiment) will give you the .5 and .433 whereas an SR treatment will give different numbers.

The reason you don't understand what I said is because NONE of you have yet understood what I'm trying to teach you. And the problem is not your lack of ability but your lack of attempt to understand a new concept.

You are so convinced I cannot teach you something new that you have made that prophecy self-fulfilling.

Gee, a fourth dimension ! You're kidding me.

While your sarcasm may help your social status, it does nothing for your ability to learn.

Gobbledegook.

Hmm, where have I heard this before? Perhaps first year physics students being introduced to Relativity?

That which you do not understand you ridicule. How disappointing...

You can predict the future, including my mistakes !

Yet more evidence that you're not even trying. You could actually accomplish something if you'd apply yourself.

Or do you wish to assert that when someone applies the wrong mathematical treatment to a problem you can't predict their mistakes?

Clocks don't experience relativistic effects it is time itself that does. Thus all relativists already know that your 'sound clocks' will do the same as other clocks. No surprise.

Once again a complete fundamental lack of understanding the problem with the utter arrogance of one who believes he does. Though in this case I'll admit that I did explain the clocks quite briefly.

If a clock substitutes a pendulum for chirps of sound for timing and then that clock is put in motion with respect to the air, the time that clock keeps will be changed by gamma. (in perfect, non turbulent air of course) IE: At non relativistic speeds, this sort of clock will be change by gamma if we substitute light for sound. EG: After being synchronized with stationary clocks and then put in motion at .5 the speed of sound, this type of clock will tick .866 times for every time a stationary clock of the same type ticks.

You are not making a good case by saying things are not true and ignoring post#3.

Okay here I'm just not sure which post you're talking about

I have to say you sound like a serious person but I just don't get it. You don't seem to understand basic relativity.

And you sound like an intelligent reasonable person but we keep trading little jibes and so the conversation stays mildly off track at all times because of our respective huge egos ;)

I know basic relativity. I'm not talking about basic relativity. I'm talking about the theory which led into basic relativity and I know for a fact that you don't understand certain aspects of that old theory.

Specifically, I believe the disconnect is that you don't yet understand the difference between the illusion of perspective Lorentz created mathematically and the factual changes to our knowledge of reality that Einstein created. One was a theory of mechanical waves that appeared to behave like the second postulate. The other was a theory in which the waves really do behave like the second postulate. While the difference seems subtle, it is not subtle once you understand what I've been trying to teach in this thread.

Once you understand the classical physical wave theory and how it applies to the trucks you will finally understand what I'm talking about.

 

[NotAName]

By the way, everyone excuse my rude demeanor, especially if you haven't been rude and I didn't notice. It just seems everyone here wants to attack the person instead of the problem and so I've gotten a little defensive and rude in return for what seems like an onslaught from every direction...

I do have something to teach you however and if you're just not listening, then I suppose a little rudeness may not be totally out of line. Regardless, I'd like to take this opportunity to lower the emotional content a bit.

We all have quite large egos here, so let's try to keep that under control and assume everyone here is likely a professional and well learned in their own fields of expertise. Much of what is happening is misunderstanding and then subsequent frustration leading to ego bruising.

I apologize for my part in our collective nonsense...

 

[jtbell]

Time out while the Mentors consider what to do about this thread...