Differential Amplifier with negative feedback

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the analysis of a differential amplifier with negative feedback, focusing on the derivation of the open loop gain and the understanding of various parameters involved in the circuit. The scope includes homework-related queries and technical explanations regarding amplifier gain calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related, Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about finding the open loop gain (A) and questions whether the gain being referred to is common mode or differential, assuming it is differential.
  • Another participant clarifies that the differential gain can be expressed as Adiff=0.5*gm*ro||RD, while a later reply reiterates this with a slight variation in notation.
  • There is a concern raised about whether the open loop gain is solely represented by the provided equation, indicating uncertainty about its completeness.
  • A participant questions the necessity of the equation for gain and the relevance of the parameter ro, seeking clarification on the meaning of RD.
  • There is a request for the source of the transconductance gm, indicating a need for further information on this parameter.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the necessity of certain equations or parameters, and there are multiple competing views regarding the derivation and relevance of the open loop gain.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the definitions and implications of various parameters (Vov, VA, ro, RD) and the completeness of the gain equation. The discussion reflects a lack of clarity on the derivation process and the values needed for calculations.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


  • Adiff(single-ended)= 1/2gm*ro||Rd
  • β=R2/(R1+R2)

The Attempt at a Solution


I am really confused as to how to find A. I know the feedback of the circuits around the R2 and R1, but I don't understand how the open loop gain can be found. Can someone assist me in deriving it? First question is what gain are they asking for: common mode or differential? I assume differential, but I am honestly lost.
 

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Do you know the meaning of the various given quantities like Vov, VA, ro, RD ?
Note that the gain is Adiff=0.5*gm*ro||RD.
 
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LvW said:
Do you know the meaning of the various given quantities like Vov, VA, ro, RD ?
Note that the gain is Adiff=1/2(gm*ro||RD).

Yes; my concern is whether the open loop gain(A) is just this equation.

Also, thanks for the reply!
 
I have a question to you:
The first of the "relevant" equations (gain) - did YOU write down the formula or were it given as part of the original text?
My question is because I do not think that we need this equation.
So I don`t think we need ro. By the way - what is RD?

In any case: We need the transconductance gm. From where do we get this value?
 
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