Differential Eqn: Find an expression of the velocity of a rock.

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The problem involves a 20 kg rock falling under the influence of gravity and an additional force that is proportional to the square of its velocity. Participants are tasked with finding an expression for the rock's velocity over time.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive the velocity expression using differential equations and integration, while questioning the validity of their approach and the necessity of the constant of integration. Other participants raise concerns about unit consistency and the interpretation of the forces involved.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the implications of unit mismatches and the nature of the forces acting on the rock. Some guidance has been provided regarding the need for dimensional consistency, and there is a recognition that the lack of initial conditions complicates the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem does not provide initial conditions, leading to uncertainty about the constant of integration. There is also a discussion about the nature of the additional force and its expected direction relative to gravity.

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Homework Statement



A 20 kg rock falls with the force of gravity acting on it. Another force acts on the rock (same direction as gravity) that is proportional to the velocity squared, 100v^2. Come up with an expression of the rock's velocity at any time t.

Homework Equations



Hint: (d/dx)(tan^-1(x)) = 1/(1 + x^2)


The Attempt at a Solution



F(net) = ma = Fg + 100v^2

ma = mg + 100v^2
a = g +(100v^2)/m (m=20)
dv/dt = g + 5v^2
dv/dt = g((5/g)v^2 + 1)
dv/((5/g)v^2 + 1) = g(dt)
dv/((root(5/g)*v)^2 +1) = g(dt) (integrate both sides)
tan^-1(root(5/g)*v) = gt + C
root(5/g)*v = tan(gt + C)

v(t) = (root(g/5))tan(gt + C)

I want to know if I can get rid of the constant as well as if my approach to the general solution is correct. Also if my general soln is correct.

Thanks!
 
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You cannot ignore units like that. 20 and 20kg are completely different things.
The force given as 100v^2 has mismatching units, are you sure there is nothing else given there?

You cannot get rid of the constant as you do not know the initial velocity.
 
That's all that the question gives. There's no initial conditions given either. I assumed that the additional force would equal 100v^2 as it says it's proportional. But you're right, the units don't match up.. Could it be possible that the units are hidden within the coefficient of v^2?
 
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Could it be possible that the units are hidden within the coefficient of v^2?
Yes, there has to be a dimensional coefficient with the proper units.

Normally the force proportional to v2 would be something like the drag force, which acts in the direction opposite to the velocity, hence against gravity in the example. But oh well.
 

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