Differential Eqns Separable Equation?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around solving a separable differential equation presented in a textbook, specifically the equation dy/dx + 2xy^2 = 0. Participants are exploring methods to find general solutions, including implicit and explicit forms.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the integration of the equation after separating variables, with one expressing difficulty in integrating the left side. There is mention of a previous section that provided a solution to a related equation, which some believe may be relevant. Others question the validity of treating y as a constant during integration and explore the implications of this approach.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of integration techniques, with some participants providing guidance on general integration formulas. The discussion reflects a mix of understanding and confusion regarding the treatment of variables during integration, indicating a productive exchange of ideas without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that there may be assumptions about the treatment of y as a function of x during integration, which is under scrutiny. There is also a reference to previous learning that may influence current understanding.

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Homework Statement



Problem given basically in the beginning of the book, Sec. 1.4, about separable equations.

Find general solutions (implicit if necessary, explicit if convenient) of the diff. eq.

[tex]dy/dx+2xy^2=0[/tex]


Homework Equations



There was a previous section where they popped this out of thin air:
A solution of [tex]dy/dx=y^2[/tex] is [tex]y=1/c-x[/tex]

I'm presuming that that is supposed to be helpful somehow.

The Attempt at a Solution



[tex]dy/dx=-2xy^2 => dy/y^2=-2xdx[/tex]

Now I can't integrate the left side.


I'm sure that is an abysmal way of going at it. So any help would be appreciated.
 
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Prologue said:

Homework Statement



Problem given basically in the beginning of the book, Sec. 1.4, about separable equations.

Find general solutions (implicit if necessary, explicit if convenient) of the diff. eq.

[tex]dy/dx+2xy^2=0[/tex]


Homework Equations



There was a previous section where they popped this out of thin air: [tex]A solution of dy/dx=y^2 is 1/c-x[/tex]

I'm presuming that that is supposed to be helpful somehow.

The Attempt at a Solution



[tex]dy/dx=-2xy^2 => dy/y^2=-2xdx[/tex]

Now I can't integrate the left side.


I'm sure that is an abysmal way of going at it. So any help would be appreciated.

That's a perfectly good way of going at it. The question is why are you having trouble integrating y-2dy? Didn't you learn a general formula for integrating powers? (Other than -1)
 
I haven't learned a formula for that. I will bet that it involves grabbing the derivative of the denominator from somewhere and thinking of it as a u-substitution but I'm not seeing where that is possible.


EDIT: Ok I just ignored that y was a function of x and integrated, and it worked out perfectly fine. I am supposing that just this idea is a point of this exercise. When you integrate something in this way, you have an equation and integrate both sides. When you do it that way y is no longer taken as being a function of x. I can accept that as the point, but now why is that possible?
 
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Ah, I think you're looking at it like this [tex]\frac{f'(x)}{[f(x)]^2}[/tex] in your head, and somehow you think of it as a u-substitution where u = f(x).

Basically the general formula for integrating is

[tex]\int{x^rdx}= \frac{1}{r+1} x^{r+1}+C[/tex] where [tex]r \neq -1[/tex]
 
Thanks for the reply, konthelion. I was in the process of editing the last post when you posted, I apologize.

I do know that general rule of integration (it has been severely beaten into my brain) but I was having trouble with the y. My head is saying 'Hey, hold on a minute y is a function of x, you can't do that.' Apparently my head is wrong.
 

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