Differential Equation of a hemispherical bowl

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The problem involves a differential equation governing the height of water in a hemispherical bowl with a hole at the bottom. The equation relates the height of the water to the rate of change of that height over time, incorporating parameters such as the radius of the bowl and the gravitational constant.

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  • Participants discuss the separability of the differential equation and the potential to rearrange terms for integration. There are questions about how to manipulate the equation to facilitate integration and concerns about the integration process itself.

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Some participants have suggested methods for rearranging the equation and integrating both sides. There is ongoing exploration of the integration process, with participants expressing uncertainty about specific steps and terms introduced in the discussion.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of integrating a non-linear differential equation and are addressing the introduction of new variables, which may lead to confusion. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to clarify these mathematical concepts without providing direct solutions.

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A hemispherical bowl has a radious of R (metres) and at a time t = 0 is full of water. At that moment a circular hole of radius a (centimetres) is opened in the bottom of the bowl. Let y be the vertical height of the water above the hole at time t. Then y is governed by the differential equation

[tex]\pi(Ry-y^2)\frac{dy}{dt} = -\pi(a10^{-2})^2\sqrt{2gy},[/tex]​

where [tex]g = 9.8m/s^2[/tex] is gravity.

Solve this differential equation to find y as an implicit function of t.


I need help with this. I am unsure of how to start. Do i try gather all the y terms on one side and everything else on the other?
 
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Do you notice the equation is separable, so that f(y)dy = Cdt for some constant C?
 
Yes, can i say:

[tex]\frac{(Ry-y^2)dy}{\sqrt{2gy}} = \frac{-\pi(a10^{-2})^2dt}{\pi}[/tex] ?
 
Now you should be able to integrate both sides (don't forget the constant of integration afterwards).
 
I've merged the old thread into this one.
 
im having difficulty integrating this. how do i get it into a form that is managable or atleast more recognisable??

thanks
 
You have
(Ry-y^2)dy/sqrt(2gy) = Rydy/sqrt(2gy) - y^2dy/sqrt(2gy). Reduce the fractions, and you should be able to find the antiderivative of each term. Does that help?
 
um kinda. I am not 100% sure on integrating them.

would i get:

[tex]\frac{2Ry^2}{\sqrt{2gh}} = \frac{3y^2}{\sqrt{2gh}} ??[/tex]
 
jamesbob said:
um kinda. I am not 100% sure on integrating them.

would i get:

[tex]\frac{2Ry^2}{\sqrt{2gh}} = \frac{3y^2}{\sqrt{2gh}} ??[/tex]

Where did "h" come from?? There was no h in anything you wrote before.

Before, you had
[tex]\frac{(Ry-y^2)dy}{\sqrt{2gy}}[/tex]
[tex]= \frac{1}{\sqrt{2g}}\left(Ry^{\frac{1}{2}}- y^{\frac{3}{2}}\right)dy[/tex]
That should be easy to integrate.
 
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