Differential equation using laplace transforms

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The discussion revolves around solving a differential equation using Laplace transforms, specifically the equation y'' + y = delta(t-2*pi). Participants are exploring the implications of the solution and the behavior of the function across different intervals of time.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the validity of the solution derived using Laplace transforms and question the definition of the function for t<0. There are attempts to clarify the role of the Heaviside step function and the delta function in the context of the solution.

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Some participants express agreement on the interpretation of the solution for different time intervals, while others provide alternative methods for solving the differential equation, including a critique of the Laplace transform approach. The discussion remains open with various interpretations being explored.

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There is a mention of missing initial conditions, which may affect the completeness of the discussion. The constraints of the problem and the specific methods being debated are also noted.

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Homework Statement



y'' + y = delta(t-2*pi)

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I have solved this using laplace transforms.

Y = e^(-2*pi*s)/(s^2 + 1) + 10s/(s^2 + 1)

so that

y = sint*u(t - 2*pi) + 10 *cost

what I don't understand is this function is not definied for t<0. According to my book, the answer is:

y = 10 cos t if 0<t<2*pi and y = 10cost + sint if t>2*pi

Why is this?
 
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u(t-2*pi) IS defined for t<0. It's equal to zero. In fact, it's equal to 0 for t<2*pi and 1 for t>2*pi.
 
So I'm right to say that the answer here is:

y = 10*cos(t) if t<2*pi, and
y = 10*cos(t) + sin(t) if t>2*pi

?
 
kasse said:
So I'm right to say that the answer here is:

y = 10*cos(t) if t<2*pi, and
y = 10*cos(t) + sin(t) if t>2*pi

?

Absolutely right.
 
Since I have made it clear many times that I dislike the "Laplace transform" method (in only works for linear equations with constant coefficients that you can do more easily anyway):

The general solution to the associated homogeneous equation is y"+ y= 0 which has y(t)= C cos(t)+ D sin(t) as general solution. Use "variation of parameters" to find a specific solution to the entire equation:

We seek a solution of the form y(t)= u(t) cos(t)+ v(t) sin(t). Differentiating, y'= u' cos(t)- u sin(t)+ v' sin(t)+ v cos(t). Since we need only one out of the infinitely many solutions, we can simplify by requiring that u' cos(t)+ v' sin(t)= 0. Then y'= -u sin(t)+ v cos(t) and, differentiating again, y"= -u' sin(t)- u cos(t)+ v' cos(t)- v sin(t). y"+ y = -u' sin(t)+ v'cos(t)= [itex]\delta(t- 2\pi)[/itex].

That, together with u' cos(t)+ v' sin(t)= 0 gives two equations to solve for u' and v'. Multiplying the first equation by cos(t) and the second by sin(t) and adding eliminates u':
v'= [itex]cos(t) \delta(t- 2\pi)[/itex] and the integral of that, by definition of the delta function, is v(t)= 0 if x< [itex]2\pi[/itex], cos(2\pi)= 1 if [itex]x\le 2\pi[/itex], in other words, [itex]H(x- 2\pi)[/itex] where H is the Heaviside step function.
Multiplying the first equation by sin(t) and the second by -cos(t) and adding eliminates v': u'= -sin(t)[/itex]\delta(x-2\pi)[/itex] and integrating that u(t)= 0 is x< 2[itex]\pi[/itex], -sin(2\pi)= 0 if [itex]x\ge 2\pi[/itex]. In other words, v(t)= 0 for all t.

The specific function, y(t)= u(t) cos(t)+ v(t) sin(t) is [itex]H(x- 2\pi) sin(x)[/itex] so the general solution to the entire equation is [itex]y(t)= C cos(t)+ D sin(t)+ H(x-2\pi)\delta(x-2\pi)[/itex].

I notice that the initial conditions for the problem were never stated.
 

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