Differential equations: applying force to projectile

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The discussion revolves around modifying a series of differential equations that describe the path of a projectile under the influence of gravity and an additional force with vector components. The context involves understanding how to appropriately represent these forces in the equations.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply the logic of gravity to an additional force, leading to equations for vdot and thetadot. Some participants question the signs in the equations, particularly in the thetadot equation, and suggest that flipping the sign of certain terms may yield more reasonable results. There is also uncertainty about the correctness of magnitudes and the implications of sign changes in both equations.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the equations, exploring the implications of sign changes and their effects on the projectile's motion. There is a recognition of the need for clarity regarding the directional aspects of the forces involved, and some guidance has been offered regarding the signs in the equations.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of the original poster's uncertainty about the appropriate section for their post, indicating a potential lack of clarity on the problem's complexity. Additionally, the discussion includes references to trigonometric relationships and quadrant considerations that may affect the interpretation of the equations.

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Homework Statement


The following series of differential equations represents a projectile's path when solved (g=9.81):
nANP9I9.png

Modify this series of differential equations to account for an additional force F with vector components a and b acting on the projectile.

Here is a sample plot of this system:
TeUvVr2.png


Homework Equations


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The Attempt at a Solution


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Knowing that gravity is a force with a positive i-component and negative j-component, I attempted to apply the same logic to F. This resulted in:

vdot = -g*sin(theta) + a*cos(theta) + b*sin(theta)
and
thetadot = -g/v*cos(theta) + a/v*sin(theta) + b/v*cos(theta)

However, that solution didn't appear to be correct, as when I plotted this out with F with a positive i-component and a negative j-component, I got this plot:
ovgeY6g.png

From intuition, the positive i-component should have caused the projectile path to move to the right more (hard to describe in words, but I hope you get what I mean), but instead, with my system (somehow), the projectile somehow happens to move to the left and go to the negative x-axis. Because my attempt to apply how gravity was represented in this system to how an arbitrary force would be represented, well, failed, I am currently stuck.

As this is my first post, I'm not sure whether it belongs in the introductory or advanced section (as it involves differential equations, but is a simple system). Sorry in advance if it's wrong.
 
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Check the signs in your thetadot equation.
 
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haruspex said:
Check the signs in your thetadot equation.
Flipping the sign of the second term appears to make it be more reasonable, and I understand why that makes sense from a directional perspective. However, I'm unsure if the actual magnitude is correct, if you get what I'm saying...

Here's what it looks like with a flipped second term:
BQrw8pV.png

It's more reasonable, but I don't understand it from a trigonometry perspective. In addition, if that's the case, shouldn't I also flip the sign in the vdot equation? If not, why?
 
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gnumoe said:
Flipping the sign of the second term appears to make it be more reasonable, and I understand why that makes sense from a directional perspective. However, I'm unsure if the actual magnitude is correct, if you get what I'm saying...

Here's what it looks like with a flipped second term:
BQrw8pV.png

It's more reasonable, but I don't understand it from a trigonometry perspective. In addition, if that's the case, shouldn't I also flip the sign in the vdot equation? If not, why?
Patterns like
+sin +cos
-cos +sin
arise frequently, since as a matrix it represents a rotation.
While moving up and to the right, v is in the first quadrant but ##\dot \theta## is in the second quadrant, so a force horizontally to the right is positive for ##\dot v## but negative for ##\ddot \theta##.
 
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