Differential Equations - Substitution

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The discussion revolves around solving an initial value problem involving a differential equation of the form dy/dx = (3x + 2y)/(3x + 2y + 2) with the initial condition y(-1) = -1. Participants are exploring substitution methods and the implications of their chosen approach.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to use substitution by letting u = 3x + 2y and derives a relationship involving du/dx. They express a need to separate the equation for integration. Other participants engage with the derived equations and question the correctness of the steps taken.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively discussing the steps involved in the substitution method and the subsequent integration process. There appears to be some confusion regarding the manipulation of the equations, with one participant expressing doubt about the correctness of the approach taken by the original poster.

Contextual Notes

There is an emphasis on using specific formulas for substitution, and participants are navigating through the implications of their choices while adhering to the constraints of the initial value problem.

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Solve the Initial Value Problem:
dy/dx = (3x + 2y)/(3x + 2y + 2) , y(-1) = -1

I need to use substitution and use the formulas:
du/dx = A + B(dy/dx)
dy/dx = (1/B)*(du/dx - A)

Let u = 3x + 2y then du/dx = 3 + 2(dy/dx)
therefore A = 3, B = 2

Pluging it into the formula gives me:
(1/2)*(du/dx - 3) = (3x + 2y)/(3x + 2y + 2)

Now I would need to separate the equation and integrate both sides, replace back what I substituted and solve the IVP where x = -1 and y = -1 to find the constant.

How do i make this equation a separable equation?
 
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(1/2)*(du/dx - 3) = (u)/(u + 2)
 

Homework Statement


Solve the Initial Value Problem:
dy/dx = (3x + 2y)/(3x + 2y + 2) , y(-1) = -1


Homework Equations


I need to use substitution and use the formulas:
du/dx = A + B(dy/dx)
dy/dx = (1/B)*(du/dx - A)


The Attempt at a Solution


Let u = 3x + 2y then du/dx = 3 + 2(dy/dx)
therefore A = 3, B = 2

Pluging it into the formula gives me:
(1/2)*(du/dx - 3) = (3x + 2y)/(3x + 2y + 2)

Now I would need to separate the equation and integrate both sides, replace back what I substituted and solve the IVP where x = -1 and y = -1 to find the constant.

(1/2)*(du/dx - 3) = (u)/(u + 2)

(u+2)/u du = 3/2 *2 dx

integrate both sides to get:
u + 2 ln |u| = 3x + c
(3x + 2y) + 2 ln |(3x + 2y)| = 3x + c

plugging in the initial conditions I got:
-2 + 2 ln |5| = c

therefore,
(3x + 2y) + 2 ln |(3x + 2y)| = 3x - 2 + 2 ln |5|

is this correct?
 
Hi sami23! :smile:
sami23 said:
(1/2)*(du/dx - 3) = (u)/(u + 2)

(u+2)/u du = 3/2 *2 dx

Noooo :redface:
 
This is a question, not "learning materials". I am moving it.
 

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